Minute's applause for Mandela ?

[Soulman]

No, that would be ridiculous

To make it plain

What I am saying is that those who did not applaud because he has nothing to to do with England/Sussex/Me (as US mentioned) are Little Englanders.

Oh i see.......

 

[Buzzer]

What I am saying is that those who did not applaud because he has nothing to to do with England/Sussex/Me (as US mentioned) are Little Englanders.

The point you are missing quite spectacularly is that this is a football match in Sussex, England - the link with Mandela is tenuous at best. Are the many cultural and sporting bodies in Sussex and across England who chose not to mark the death with a minute's clapping also all Little Englanders? If not, why not?

 

[BadFish]

Taking the closet racists out of the equation, everyone on this thread who has expressed unease at the clapping (myself included) has said that it was not relevant to the game and nothing to do with football. A point Uncle Spielberg made explicitly and you even responded to this in your "Little Englander" jibe with the addendum about us not knowing that we are part of a big wide world.

Jesus Buzzer, If you are so determined to take my comment in a certain way then good luck to you. I won't waste my time 'digging' any further. You (as always) can continue arguing the toss about what you would have liked me to have said instead of what I actually said.

 

[BadFish]

The point you are missing quite spectacularly is that this is a football match in Sussex, England - the link with Mandela is tenuous at best. Are the many cultural and sporting bodies in Sussex and across England who chose not to mark the death with a minute's clapping also all Little Englanders? If not, why not?

That depends on their reasons for not clapping.

 

[Buzzer]

Jesus Buzzer, If you are so determined to take my comment in a certain way then good luck to you. I won't waste my time 'digging' any further. You (as always) can continue arguing the toss about what you would have liked me to have said instead of what I actually said.

I'm taking it as only as you wrote it and how you've subsequently clarified it.

 

[Buzzer]

That depends on their reasons for not clapping.

So if they didn't think it relevant to Sussex/England/their sport or arts then by your definition they're one of your "Little Englanders"?

 

[Soulman]

Jesus Buzzer, If you are so determined to take my comment in a certain way then good luck to you. I won't waste my time 'digging' any further. You (as always) can continue arguing the toss about what you would have liked me to have said instead of what I actually said.

To be fair BF, it is not the first time you have thrown the "Little Englanders" comment into a debate/post, so obviously there may have been a whiff of suspicion as to the "real" meaning this time.

 

[BadFish]

To be fair BF, it is not the first time you have thrown the "Little Englanders" comment into a debate/post, so obviously there may have been a whiff of suspicion as to the "real" meaning this time.

There are plenty of them about on NSC, especially the threads that you and I often frequent.

 

[BadFish]

So if they didn't think it relevant to Sussex/England/their sport or arts then by your definition they're one of your "Little Englanders"?

If the beleive that Mandela has no relevence for their lives because he had nothing to do with England or Sussex then yes they don't understand their connection to the wider world and therfore I see them as Little Englanders living on their Little island without seeing any connection between them and the res of the world.

Like I say there are a few of these on NSC and their responses on this thread are to my mind further proof.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Just an idea: could we have a three minutes applause for each member of the Albion starting line-up in each half? And then two minutes of applause for each of the subs.

 

[The Truth]

To be fair BF, it is not the first time you have thrown the "Little Englanders" comment into a debate/post, so obviously there may have been a whiff of suspicion as to the "real" meaning this time.

He's living in Australia right now, he doesn't like to hide this fact either. It looks as if his 'point' has a touch of the ego about it, rather than any sense.

 

[Soulman]

So if they didn't think it relevant to Sussex/England/their sport or arts then by your definition they're one of your "Little Englanders"?

Actually the "Little Englanders" comment is hardly fair a bit of a generalisation.......surely it should be "Little Sussex Englanders".....or probably "Little Sussex Englanders with a some that live outside Sussex Englanders"

 

[Soulman]

He's living in Australia right now, he doesn't like to hide this fact either. It looks as if his 'point' has a touch of the ego about it, rather than any sense.

Presumably they had a minutes applause in all their different sports as well.

 

[The Truth]

Actually the "Little Englanders" comment is hardly fair a bit of a generalisation.......surely it should be "Little Sussex Englanders".....or probably "Little Sussex Englanders with a some that live outside Sussex Englanders"

Australia is a big place remember. That's basically his point.

 

[Soulman]

Australia is a big place remember. That's basically his point.

 

[Hamilton]

I'm pleased the most of us applauded and will be happy again to clap when something important, that ideally children unaware will learn of and grow from, is announced and has us ponder before the regular matchtime hollering and passions commence. I would hope football has a message to give beyond that of pure cheap - not financially of course - entertainment, and if part of it is one of hope and opportunity and fairness then surely the death of a man who seemed to stand nobly for little else should be recognised and given regard. I've given it my time outside of those 60 seconds, but that doesn't mean i have not a minute to spare it in a collective to give it no more.

This.

And this post was cracking!

"I think the point that most are missing here is that Mandela would respect the "non clappers" here and their right to not clap and especially their right to voice their grievances. The bloke not only invited his captors to his inauguration but he had them sit as guests in the front row.

You can moan and winge about the clapping if you want but he never asked you to do it and you can have your minute of non co-operation but you look pretty small and petty against a bloke who did 27 years of what you did - in fact for that alone he pretty much owns you.

Yeah he was a terrorist but so was Churchill and Admiral Nelson, in fact most of our English heroes would be considered terrorists by the non clappers of the day.

Well done you."

 

[daveinprague]

The part of the crowd I saw on the highlights were all clapping... im guessing the people not happy with that, will say the rest of the ground had their arms folded.
Pretty funny thread.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

The part of the crowd I saw on the highlights were all clapping... im guessing the people not happy with that, will say the rest of the ground had their arms folded.
Pretty funny thread.

Yep they showed how outraged they were by pretending to clap but not really doing so - how militant is that!

Some of them may even write to the FA or the Daily mail to complain - How brave is that?

Mandela and the ANC used football and sport generally to break Apartheid - they used to hold their meetings in football grounds because it was one place people were allowed to congregate by the government.
They used football and sport to unite the majority of their nation against the government that used apartheid to control a nation and forcing them to clap and other horrid beastly things.

Football generally unites people (well everyone that wants to be united - save for the non clappers) to say that it or sport should be involved is just an excuse.

 

[Machiavelli]

Roy Chuter - Albion fan who went above and beyond to save our club.
Peter Bentley - Sussex County FA Chairman

I don't think it's very difficult to see that those were very relevant and had a direct link to the club. Can you honestly not see the difference between those and the one for Mandela?

We could also add the James Brynin minute before the Blackburn game. In other words, there have been (at least) three minute's applause organised by the club this season. There has been one organise by the FA. I'd be interested if anyone could point to the previous occasion that the FA organised a minute's applause. Is your problem that you don't think that the FA should organise these? Do you think that when the Queen dies, there should be one organised by the FA?
I have to contrast the 14 pages of comments on NSC on this issue, with the brilliant reaction of the crowd on Saturday during this particular minute (the crowd were the best they've been all season yesterday -- I'm not trying to draw a link between these two issues). There was one person I spotted who turned his back to the pitch, and refused to clap. I probably scanned about one hundred other people during that minute, and they were all clapping. Plenty of other comments and the TV pics endorse this assessment. In other words, those that have contributed negatively to the 14 pages on this thread are in a very small -- if highly vociferous -- minority.
Some in this minority -- not you, Buzzer, but some -- are engaging in this thread for deeply malignant reasons. How shall we put this? Perhaps we could say that Bridcutt, Ince, Agustein or LuaLua couldn't be their favourite players. I suspect some of them are hiding behind the terrorist accusations that too many people have bestowed upon Mandela on this thread.
I note your attempt to delineate yourself from what BadFish refers to as the 'Little Englanders' on this site, and applaud you for doing so. But there's a load of nonsense on this thread about the Mandela minute. Here are just two: that it's 'anti-democratic', and that it constitutes 'a religion'. I trust you'd also want to differentiate yourself from those claims too.
I was really pleased by the response of the fans on Saturday to this minute, and used the opportunity to explain things to my six-year-old son about the world. I'm just disappointed by too many contributions to this thread -- not yours, to repeat.

 

[BBassic]

I clapped because I wanted to honour a great man.

I don't give a toss whether other people did or not and what their reasons were.