[Football] Mindless vandalism of a defibrillator at Buxted FC

[Boys 9d]

Perhaps a useful outcome would be for the pair to be taught how to use the new equipment and then be required to attend all matches at the ground as on site operators. I feel this would be a useful skill to learn and also make them spend "free" time to community benefit.

 

[Sheebo]

This 100%

Many non league clubs have a days when volunteers come in to help paint and tidy up around the ground.
At least 100 hours should do for these two idiots.

Given emotions yesterday up there I don’t think the club would have them near there again…!

I am thinking fundraiser… to go county of a certain level you need floodlights - I reckon organise some sort of day off the back of this to raise some dolla for the club - turn a bad thing into a good thing…!? My suggestion is in anyway so let’s see…

 

[Acker79]

Yes, my id wants blood and revenge, but I try to ignore my id.

Except on match days, when you'll need it to prove you're the ticket holder.

 

[Diablo]

Wanker should be named and shamed and made to feel the full force of social media Sharia Law IMHO. Only way they'll maybe learn

Naming them both would be the most suitable punishment. Imagine their parents will be shocked to see their kids in video footage. Two teenagers who`ll need to change their ways big time if they are ever to get forgiveness for this act that could lead to someone dying.....

 

[Barnet Seagull]

At the risk of infuriating the more politically correct, I agree that a bit of humiliation wouldn't be a bad thing. Not the stocks, obviously, but something that would severely embarrass them. However, as the scumbag is apparently only seventeen, so presumably as a minor his identity will be withheld. Shame.

Is community service not a humiliation?

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A sizeable chunk of the British people, I wouldn’t blame it on Tories, have always been mavericks, belligerent, anti authority and sometimes violent. My Dad said West Street was a violent place in the 40’s and 50’s. We led the way in football violence, heroes to later thugs in other countries. My state comp was a wild west, a teacher was blinded by being thrown down a flight of stairs a couple of years after I left.

I remember BBC correspondents looked at Denmark and Finland during last year’s first wave. The bottom line was that they’re compliant peoples, a shrug of the shoulders and they simply accept the rules.

Whilst in good old England I witnessed young customers (both Anglo Saxon looking and of Middle Eastern appearance/accents), turning violently aggressive to Aldi staff when asked them to wear masks. No one deserves that when they go to work.

Imho innate cultural differences vary greatly across this continent and the UK’s always been at the violent end of the spectrum.

Indeed.

It is for sociologists to work out the reasons for this but of course this is near impossible, owing to limited scope for proper study design when there can be no prospective control group (just a load of case-matching, which is ludicrous when comparing nations).

On the plus side, at least the Eugenecists and Lysenkoists have been taken off the job (the wisdom of this being reinforced by contemplating which NSC stalwart is the most likely to have a poster of Hans Eysenck sellotaped to his wheelbarrow)

 

[Weststander]

Indeed.

It is for sociologists to work out the reasons for this but of course this is near impossible, owing to limited scope for proper study design when there can be no prospective control group (just a load of case-matching, which is ludicrous when comparing nations).

On the plus side, at least the Eugenecists and Lysenkoists have been taken off the job (the wisdom of this being reinforced by contemplating which NSC stalwart is the most likely to have a poster of Hans Eysenck sellotaped to his wheelbarrow)

I completely forgot about him, since completing a year one module at uni.
https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-24/edition-4/looking-back-controversial-hans-eysenck

I can now see the science behind that stalwart’s race theory. WLM, ok.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Anything other than getting the police involved is the work of vigilante’s.
The police are involved and have made an arrest which doesn’t make them powerless. What the courts do is another matter. What would you do?


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The Police will just see this as the king of pain.

https://youtu.be/tFN5DveQH0o

The Police should send them a message in a bottle,

https://youtu.be/MbXWrmQW-OE

 

[Falmer Wizard]

With youths, a community sentence called a Youth Rehabilitation Order with requirements such as curfew and unpaid work are usually far better at turning them around and getting them to see that there are consequences. Imprisonment (and I'd be very surprised if this is considered to have crossed that threshold) is demanded as a knee-jerk reaction by people who don't really understand the purposes of sentencing nor appreciate how ineffective it often is; Yes it would punish them and shit them up a treat but is much more likely to put them on a path to further offending.
These are youths and are dickheads, no question, but as Justice said, a lot of us were dickheads in our youth. If this were my son doing this, I would be mortified, ashamed and disappointed but I wouldn't want him duffed up or electrocuted.

Community service is no punishment at all, I have read on many occasions that they dont show up but the police have not got the time to round them up!!!!!!
It encourages them to do it again

 

[Swansman]

Good points. I don't entirely agree, but my main point was perhaps not well expressed. I intended to suggest that it is the combination of the knee-jerk reactions of the populace, and the response of governments to that, that is the likely reason for our poorer record on law and order (reoffending, in particular, also prison suicides and, yes, acts of cuntishness like the present case) compared with other contemporary nations (excluding USA of course). I suspect we have a higher proportion of the population that would list 'punishment' as the primary driver to the response to crime than other nations, certainly Canada (where I lived for 4 years) and I'll leave it to [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] to comment about Sweden. On the other hand there is no clamour for capital punishment in parts of the middle east because they already have it in spades, lawfully chopping bits off you (up to and including your head) for minor transgressions.

I accept that biologically the different 'races' are effectively indistinguishable, but culturally, when confined by a national identity, we can be miles apart. I still remember the tory election slogan 'Britain isn't working'. They would be less keen to ever use the slogan 'prison isn't working' to encapsulate the national feeling about law and order. Partly because it wouldn't be true (most people think prison is a great punishment, and glibly declare it would be a better deterrent were it 'harsher') and partly because they agree with the electorate. But, of course, costs need to be cut to keep taxes down. The tories are in tune with the nation on both these issues - they are the party of law and order after all. Labour has never been keen to rock this boat, either. When the libs moot legalizing cannabis every one in a while the media (and much of the nation) mocks them. Does any of this strike you as a bit weird?

At the very least they should pay for a new defibrillator and then be made to attend a post mortem and see what happens to those not fortunate enough to be saved by such a machine.

A sizeable chunk of the British people, I wouldn’t blame it on Tories, have always been mavericks, belligerent, anti authority and sometimes violent. My Dad said West Street was a violent place in the 40’s and 50’s. We led the way in football violence, heroes to later thugs in other countries. My state comp was a wild west, a teacher was blinded by being thrown down a flight of stairs a couple of years after I left.

I remember BBC correspondents looked at Denmark and Finland during last year’s first wave. The bottom line was that they’re compliant peoples, a shrug of the shoulders and they simply accept the rules.

Whilst in good old England I witnessed young customers (both Anglo Saxon looking and of Middle Eastern appearance/accents), turning violently aggressive to Aldi staff when asked them to wear masks. No one deserves that when they go to work.

Imho innate cultural differences vary greatly across this continent and the UK’s always been at the violent end of the spectrum.

Indeed.

It is for sociologists to work out the reasons for this but of course this is near impossible, owing to limited scope for proper study design when there can be no prospective control group (just a load of case-matching, which is ludicrous when comparing nations).

On the plus side, at least the Eugenecists and Lysenkoists have been taken off the job (the wisdom of this being reinforced by contemplating which NSC stalwart is the most likely to have a poster of Hans Eysenck sellotaped to his wheelbarrow)

When it comes to punishment vs rehabilitation, in Sweden we remain strongly on the rehabilitation side as punishment usually doesnt lead to improvement in whoever has been punished.

The reason for Britain being "more violent" than other similar countries is probably economical and social inequality. Not so much today but for a long period in the past you had a large upper-class and a gigantic working class and a smaller middle class than most comparable countries. It creates friction and the sort of divided culture you seem to have - on one had the drunken miners and football hooligans and on the other hand all the upper class bollocks with the fancy titles and nice hats and whatever. In the rift between those, violence (as well as blood thirstyness) and similar gets a space to grow.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

When it comes to punishment vs rehabilitation, in Sweden we remain strongly on the rehabilitation side as punishment usually doesnt lead to improvement in whoever has been punished.

The reason for Britain being "more violent" than other similar countries is probably economical and social inequality. Not so much today but for a long period in the past you had a large upper-class and a gigantic working class and a smaller middle class than most comparable countries. It creates friction and the sort of divided culture you seem to have - on one had the drunken miners and football hooligans and on the other hand all the upper class bollocks with the fancy titles and nice hats and whatever. In the rift between those, violence (as well as blood thirstyness) and similar gets a space to grow.

What a load of bollocks.
Have you heard of the phrase 'sling your hook' ?

 

[Swansman]

Have you heard of the phrase 'sling your hook' ?

Nope

 

[Weststander]

When it comes to punishment vs rehabilitation, in Sweden we remain strongly on the rehabilitation side as punishment usually doesnt lead to improvement in whoever has been punished.

The reason for Britain being "more violent" than other similar countries is probably economical and social inequality. Not so much today but for a long period in the past you had a large upper-class and a gigantic working class and a smaller middle class than most comparable countries. It creates friction and the sort of divided culture you seem to have - on one had the drunken miners and football hooligans and on the other hand all the upper class bollocks with the fancy titles and nice hats and whatever. In the rift between those, violence (as well as blood thirstyness) and similar gets a space to grow.

Other factors.

Booze …. for the best part of a century the UK had restricted pub/club hours, whilst when the pubs were open booze was very affordable. Giving rise to binge drinking. A typical night out for my mates and I, half of Brighton was 8 pints drunk rapidly and countless doubles. Then the street and nightclub fighting took hold.

Those licensing laws were eased 20 years ago by Blair who envisaged a continental Piazza culture of steady drinking and far less violence because there would be no trouble pinch points of taxi disputes at 3am.

In reality, that never worked, must be something in our psyche. I’ve had chats with police who say violence has worsened. Smashed women are now fighting too, that used to be a rarity. Also loads of blokes who’ve dabbled with MMA or big weights and think they’re superman.

 

[Rowdey]

If it’s any comfort, in reality in England it stopped decades before that. At school by the mid-70’s, only headteachers could smack. Very soon after that it was stopped altogether.

Just 5 years before that any teacher, in temper or against someone they had a vendetta, could smack or use a ruler to hit kids with.

Those dates dont correspond to my own at Fawcett - Got the cane from an English teacher and a PE teacher in 84/85.

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

Lost for words. Why? It is so cold and calculated - they know what they are doing. It's not mindless. Would be interested to keep tabs on the criminal case to understand what they get for this. They have to have mental health issues, because it is so so wrong.

 

[Weststander]

Those dates dont correspond to my own at Fawcett - Got the cane from an English teacher and a PE teacher in 84/85.

I was at ESCC state schools.

Brighton was its own education authority, it must’ve been different.

Regardless, I don’t know anyone legally hit by teachers just 20 years …. that was the post I was responding to.

 

[GT49er]

Is community service not a humiliation?

Not necessarily. Often goes unnoticed by the rest of the world.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Given emotions yesterday up there I don’t think the club would have them near there again…!

I am thinking fundraiser… to go county of a certain level you need floodlights - I reckon organise some sort of day off the back of this to raise some dolla for the club - turn a bad thing into a good thing…!? My suggestion is in anyway so let’s see…

Probably right about the club not having them near the place again.

Definitely some sort of fundraising sounds good, I just hope they don’t get let off with just a warning, I see far too many reports and photos on Twitter of vandalism at non league football clubs, it’s heartbreaking seeing as these local clubs are run by volunteers.

We have a mini crime wave of little scummy chavs in Newhaven that seem to be untouchable, it’s fine to ride a motorcycle around without insurance, tax, mot, number plate or crash helmet and it seems the police can be bothered with them.
And on the other hand Newhaven FC has many decent local young people involved with the club, non league football clubs as you know do some great work in the community.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wanker should be named and shamed and made to feel the full force of social media Sharia Law IMHO. Only way they'll maybe learn

Naming them both would be the most suitable punishment. Imagine their parents will be shocked to see their kids in video footage. Two teenagers who`ll need to change their ways big time if they are ever to get forgiveness for this act that could lead to someone dying.....

Youths under 18 cannot be named unless the judge allows it.

 

[Sheebo]

https://uk.gofundme.com/f/buxted-fc-health-promotion?qid=c77115df425bd2b8a02a71035ea13b10

If anyone wants to donate this is a great cause and response from Buxted FC…!