[Football] Millwall fans covering themselves in glory again

[pastafarian]

It will always be divisive as certain people don't want a more equal society and will shout and scream to try and stop it.

You can always protest against that

 

[BeHereNow]

Well that is just factually bullshit isn't it.

No.

As for the North Africans and Japanese, I thought you were talking about certain peoples trying to make up for what their ancestors did, no?

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Booing the knee is like cheering an elbow,and I would do neither.

 

[clapham_gull]

No, it’s not. Keep politics out of sport.

So says the person with a Farage and Trump avatar on a football messageboard.

 

[BeHereNow]

So says the person with a Farage and Trump avatar on a football messageboard.

Did you just assume my species? I am actually a fridge.

Got to annoy the ‘gammon’ haters on here somehow

 

[pastafarian]

Then you need to abandon pretty much everything that is sports. Believing that kids and society gain things from football such as working together rather than only competing against eachother and trying to make a club a positive force in the community etc is political stuff, all the advertisement and shit is also political just like the ownership structures of clubs and what not... everything is politics. Sports always was and always will be political.

Jesus wept. You havnt got a clue about our club at all have you?

 

[pastafarian]

Booing the knee is like cheering an elbow,and I would do neither.

You never clapped your nuts?

 

[jackalbion]

Jesus wept. You havnt got a clue about our club at all have you?

Everything is political though he’s right, do you wear a poppy out of interest?

 

[jackalbion]

I think its getting boring now and doesn't need to be done at every game in the premier League and football league you don't see it at grassroots level football just my opinion and I know I will probably get slammed

Tbf, racial inequality is boring as hell...

 

[Easy 10]

Then you need to abandon pretty much everything that is sports. Believing that kids and society gain things from football such as working together rather than only competing against eachother and trying to make a club a positive force in the community etc is political stuff, all the advertisement and shit is also political just like the ownership structures of clubs and what not... everything is politics. Sports always was and always will be political.

Sorry, thats bollocks. Ask anyone who has benefited from AITC if its just a POLITICAL gesture. You're saying its purely some glib PR box-ticking exercise. People in the community are genuinely benefiting from what BHAFC bring to them - and the people employed by the club who work hard to deliver it are rightly proud of it. Your post is pretty insulting tbh.

 

[jackalbion]

Sorry, thats bollocks. Ask anyone who has benefited from AITC if its just a POLITICAL gesture. You're saying its purely some glib PR box-ticking exercise. People in the community are genuinely benefiting from what BHAFC bring to them - and the people employed by the club who work hard to deliver it are rightly proud of it. Your post is pretty insulting tbh.

Aye but it is all political no? I don’t think being simply political is only a gesture, the idea of working in the community is on a political level. Politics is far more complicated than just theory. Community schemes are using the political outreach of football clubs to build solidarity in communities and to gain a common goal as a collective for a town and/or a city.

 

[Easy 10]

And in the same way AITC is not political so I the knee protest. They are both aiming to raise awareness and improve the lives of people left behind by society and make lives better.

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[Swansman]

No, it’s not. Keep politics out of sport.

There’s no way I go to football for political reasons. You’re following the wrong club if you think that’s the case.

Your personal motives have nothing to do with the political nature of football.

Jesus wept. You havnt got a clue about our club at all have you?

I have a lot of clue about the club, not as much as some but still, but it really doesnt matter in this case. Football is still filled with politics. You could support the worst team in the world or the biggest, it is still politics. Everything from the fact that people are allowed to play football to whoever is sponsoring the shirts or who produced the footballs, all politics.

Sorry, thats bollocks. Ask anyone who has benefited from AITC if its just a POLITICAL gesture. You're saying its purely some glib PR box-ticking exercise. People in the community are genuinely benefiting from what BHAFC bring to them - and the people employed by the club who work hard to deliver it are rightly proud of it. Your post is pretty insulting tbh.

Its still politics and only insulting if you believe that politics = automatically shit. But its still political. A different political development historically and no one would play football. You would work and then you would sleep. A different political development and there would be no such thing as allowing football clubs to independently help communities. Yet another different political development and football clubs would be some kind of mandatory institution to keep workers fit and healthy without any though of recreation. Everything is politics.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Prominent on Fox News

He's saying what a lot of black Americans are saying. Their community needs to have more fathers involved in their kids lives.

Not sure why Fox News is relevant to what he said. He's literally Straight Outta Compton.

 

[Easy 10]

Aye but it is all political no? I don’t think being simply political is only a gesture, the idea of working in the community is on a political level. Politics is far more complicated than just theory. Community schemes are using the political outreach of football clubs to build solidarity in communities and to gain a common goal as a collective for a town and/or a city.

Can we not just remove the word 'politics' from a gesture that is simply...RIGHT ?

Forget politics. This is something far bigger. It transcends politics IMO (which, lets face it, has hardly been a shining beacon in our recent times).

 

[Easy 10]

Its still politics and only insulting if you believe that politics = automatically shit. But its still political. A different political development historically and no one would play football. You would work and then you would sleep. A different political development and there would be no such thing as allowing football clubs to independently help communities. Yet another different political development and football clubs would be some kind of mandatory institution to keep workers fit and healthy without any though of recreation. Everything is politics.

I fear you are dangerously close to disappearing up your own @rsehole.

Chap.

 

[BadFish]

All people are already treated equally.

Well that is just factually bullshit isn't it.

No.

As compelling and in-depth as this argument is I thought I might try and dig just a little deeper.

I found this article from The Conversation that unpacks a number of different studies into racism in the UK.

https://theconversation.com/how-racist-is-britain-today-what-the-evidence-tells-us-141657

It's findings are that, in fact, no people are not all treated equally.

[MENTION=33983]BeHereNow[/MENTION] I would be very interested in where you have gathered your data from to reach your conclusion?

 

[Swansman]

I fear you are dangerously close to disappearing up your own @rsehole.

Chap.

I dont think having a rudimentary understanding of what politics is is a reason to crawl up my own arse, but if it makes you happy to have those concerns I'm not going to stop you.

 

[Easy 10]

I dont think having a rudimentary understanding of what politics is is a reason to crawl up my own arse, but if it makes you happy to have those concerns I'm not going to stop you.

I don't consider myself naive - but arbitrarily announcing that AITC is some kind of PR political box-ticking exercise by BHAFC takes cynicism to another level. If you want to associate yourself with that viewpoint, then be my guest. But having personally taken part in activities to raise funds for AITC, I find your statement downright offensive.

 

[ExmouthExile]

I disagree that only racists would boo. I think they were booing the ‘act’ of kneeling itself and not the reason for it. You hardly ever hear fans collectively booing black players anymore so why would they boo when players are taking the knee and then remain silent for the rest of the game in which black players are participating? I’m not saying they were right to do it, but I don’t think they were booing to be racist, I think it was their way of saying enough is enough, we’ve heard your message, now it’s time to move on.