[News] Mike Amesbury MP - Rocky VIII: Backbench Brawler

[jcdenton08]

Of course, but the post I quoted was claiming split second timing.

Hardly split second. Honestly, just watch it back yourself a few times. They’re talking/arguing, the bloke looks away, the MP takes the opportunity to hit him. It’s clear as day.

 

[happypig]

A criminal conviction will do.

People don’t go to prison for that if the victim doesn’t suffer a significant injury.

No injury would make it Common Assault, the maximum penally is 6 months imprisonment.

I don't see how it's a sucker punch, someone has to strike first.
Is he expected to exclaim 'have at thee, varlet" before having a go?
Self defence as mitigation, whether genuine or not will surely be
forthcoming.

Any "Self defence" argument ends when he hits the bloke when he's on the floor.

Affray or common assault.

It's not Affray. That's usually reserved for group action. Whether it is charged (if it is charged at all) as Common Assault or ABH is down to any injuries received (although I have personally seen CPS under-charge with Common Assault when the victim had been battered and had significant bruising).

 

[Weststander]

Meanwhile, his statement
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I’m expecting a statement that he’s booked himself into The Priory. Substance abuse after a traumatic childhood …. a since dead relative hit him.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Meanwhile, his statement
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Far right thug headbutted my fist

 

[jcdenton08]

I’m expecting a statement that he’s booked himself into The Priory. Substance abuse after a traumatic childhood …. a dead relative hit him.

A real possibility. Really helps to do this before pleading guilty to demonstrate remorse to the court that you’ve done it yourself without being court-ordered.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Hardly split second. Honestly, just watch it back yourself a few times. They’re talking/arguing, the bloke looks away, the MP takes the opportunity to hit him. It’s clear as day.

Yes it is. Which if you were incapable through drink you couldn’t do.

I’m not defending him. It’s actually worse with a level of sobriety thrown in. More calculated.

 

[drew]

He wasn’t walking away, but he turns his head away in the moment before he is punched. Watch it in slow-motion, they break eye contact, he turns his head, and that’s when he throws the punch.

I agree, contrary to what others said, he wasn't walking away. As you say he did turn his head slightly towards the camera and does get sucker punched at that point.

 

[jcdenton08]

Yes it is. Which if you were incapable through drink you couldn’t do.

I’m not defending him. It’s actually worse with a level of sobriety thrown in. More calculated.

I just think it’s entirely common to be effective in a fight even when hammered drunk. I’ve seen it myself many, many times.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I’m sure no one on NSC has ever done such a thing though. Those old school hooliganism threads must literally be about dancing and running.

 

[Weststander]

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Playing devils advocate, what if the bloke he hit had been threatening the MP and his family or friends inside the restaurant. What if he had threatened to rape his wife and murder his kids next time the MP was down in London. What if he had punched the MP out of sight of the camera and was standing there threatening to lamp him again. I agree that all the evidence doesn't look good for his future as an MP, or even as a free man, but I'm sure the CPS will consider all the evidence and not just footage on social media.

Good points, I thought about those extremes too.

But for harmless (at pre charges stage) social media chat, things don’t look good and we can be judges/executioners. NSC also did this for Mason Greenwood, Ryan Giggs, the rioters and I condemned the violence of the unfunny video of people getting beaten up down Station Road Portslade.

No doubt this thread will be locked if Amesbury is charged.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Do you want to get sucked in? It was a couple of ponces mincing about talking rubbish.

With a little bit. With a little bit of bloomin' luck.

 

[Weststander]

I’m sure no one on NSC has ever done such a thing though. Those old school hooliganism threads must literally be about dancing and running.

I was at the games at peak trouble 76 onwards but too young and not into cowards punching people who supported loathed rivals. It wasn’t Queensbury’s Rules, far from it.

 

[jcdenton08]

No doubt this thread will be locked if Amesbury is charged.

This. At this time it’s perfectly legal to speculate and react to evidence in the public domain. However, once the case becomes sub judice it is not.

 

[jcdenton08]

With a little bit. With a little bit of bloomin' luck.

Alan Ford’s face when he does this is priceless

 

[ManOfSussex]

Alan Ford’s face when he does this is priceless

There's many contenders but Terry Norton is arguably the greatest Alan Partridge character.

 

[jcdenton08]

There's many contenders but Terry Norton is arguably the greatest Alan Partridge character.

Totally agree, love seeing Alan just completely out of his depth like that. It’s brilliantly acted.

 

[drew]

Good points, I thought about those extremes too.

But for harmless (at pre charges stage) social media chat, things don’t look good and we can be judges/executioners. NSC also did this for Mason Greenwood, Ryan Giggs, the rioters and I condemned the violence of the unfunny video of people getting beaten up down Station Road Portslade.

No doubt this thread will be locked if Amesbury is charged.

A lot might depend on whether the guy that got lamped is prepared to press charges and be a witness. I believe the CPS could still prosecute based on video evidence, especially bearing in mind who he is.

 

[clapham_gull]

Blimey. Maybe I live in a parallel universe, but I never understand the compulsion to punch someone in the head.

Another debate but it's the main reason I've never understood boxing. For every pissed up MP there are millions cheering on an upper cut.

Twat.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Totally agree, love seeing Alan just completely out of his depth like that. It’s brilliantly acted.

Alan Ford was fantastic, a great actor as you say. Him as 'Bricktop' in 'Snatch' was just brilliant.

 

[jcdenton08]

A lot might depend on whether the guy that got lamped is prepared to press charges and be a witness. I believe the CPS could still prosecute based on video evidence, especially bearing in mind who he is.

Pressing charges isn’t actually a thing. It isn’t actually you, the person, deciding that, it’s the Crown. The police might ask whether you intend to “support the prosecution” by acting as a witness, but even if you decline they can proceed.

Assuming he pleads guilty, the point is moot. The police don’t have to tell the suspect that the witness isn’t cooperating, and he’d only find this out when the defence receive their witness list discovery pre-trial.

In my opinion, there is no chance this case gets that far as it’s open and close, and he’ll be advised on the strength of his case and his chances at trial pretty quickly.

Pleading guilty at the earliest opportunity affords the lightest possible sentence.