Middlesbrough fans banned for life for ripping up Koran

[wellquickwoody]

My point was any religious hatred is wrong, especially when exercised at a football match. Someone else has turned it into an Islam v Christian debate.
I have no faith but I respect anyone else's right to practice theirs whatever that is. Others do not seem to think this freedom applies to Islam in the UK.

Why is a football match special?

 

[hart's shirt]

There is a definate trend to cow towing to the Islamic faith in this country...

The cows are probably none too happy about it either.

 

[martyn20]

Why is a football match special?

It isn't, the thread is about an incident involving a football club

 

[Caveman]

I wasn't having difficulty in understanding what the aims or intents of those who did this were - what I can't understand is how anyone could support on a public forum what they did, unless they want to make clear their own contempt for Islam or those who practice that religion in addition to contempt for the law and the feelings of others.

Then sadly maybe there is your answer!

 

[Wrong-Direction]

My point was any religious hatred is wrong, especially when exercised at a football match. Someone else has turned it into an Islam v Christian debate.
I have no faith but I respect anyone else's right to practice theirs whatever that is. Others do not seem to think this freedom applies to Islam in the UK.

Martin religion is the cause of all problems, join the haters.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The thing is our forefathers fought for Britain to be anything for other than a Britain. I doubt it. The Islam issue was not on the radar then but I am fairly they did not expect our country to be in fear, as it is with another religion and more so the fear of questioning it.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Anyone who does something that targets someone else for their faith should have to take the consequences.

You are assuming that faith should be valued?

 

[Creaky]

Why is a football match special?

It's not - if those actions had happened in the local Tescos I would expect them to be banned from shopping there.

 

[martyn20]

You are assuming that faith should be valued?

As I said before I do not have faith so it's of a limited value to me but has a greater value to others and I respect their view

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The thing is our forefathers fought or Britain to be anything for other than a Britain. I doubt it. The Islam issue was not on the radar then but I am fairly they did not expect our country to be in fear, as it is with another religion and more so the fear of questioning it.

I agree. And I think that it is most likely that things will only get worse. Trouble is, by then, it will be too late.

 

[Creaky]

The thing is our forefathers fought or Britain to be anything for other than a Britain. I doubt it. The Islam issue was not on the radar then but I am fairly they did not expect our country to be in fear, as it is with another religion and more so the fear of questioning it.

Do you not see the difference between questioning a religion and insulting one? For a start one is a legal activity, the other isn't.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Martin religion is the cause of all problems, join the haters.

martyn has an opinion on everything other than football-----he will disappear from the first kick off



































hopefully

 

[wellquickwoody]

My point was any religious hatred is wrong, especially when exercised at a football match. .

It isn't, the thread is about an incident involving a football club

Oh contraire Monsieur........

 

[Dan Aitch]

I was drinking. I was drunk. I don't remember doing it. It's not the sort of thing I'd ever have thought I was capable of.

Far-cough. Chunt.

 

[Eeyore]

Remind me, the first word of our national anthem (2nd oldest in the world) is...........?

The national flags of Scotland, England, NI and even the "other" welsh one have what in common?

The national days in all these countries that make up UK, have what in common?

You might not like the fact the fact that we are a Christian country...........our heritage says otherwise.

The first word is, of-course, God. And the national anthem was written at a time (1745), again, when the church and the state were effectively one and the same thing, and the common man was not allowed to vote. The term 'Christian Country' was, as is now (but even more so), a subjugating political term. More evidence-the second verse:

O Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall:
Confound their politics...

The assumption being that God's political ideals reflected those of the ruling masses...

 

[martyn20]

The thing is our forefathers fought for Britain to be anything for other than a Britain. I doubt it. The Islam issue was not on the radar then but I am fairly they did not expect our country to be in fear, as it is with another religion and more so the fear of questioning it.

They fought to keep this a free country, for men and women, gays and straights, Protestants and Catholics, Christians and Muslims, Tory and Labour, Brighton or Palace.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

It is pretty much certain the UK will be under Islamic rule within 50 years. Happily I will be long gone by then.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Do you not see the difference between questioning a religion and insulting one? For a start one is a legal activity, the other isn't.

But why should it be a crime to insult a religion? As I say, I am a practising Christian but I defend your right under free speech and expression to debunk my beliefs just as I reserve the right to think whatever I wish about your beliefs.

 

[Taybha]

I thought he was still playing for Hull

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

They fought to keep this a free country, for men and women, gays and straights, Protestants and Catholics, Christians and Muslims, Tory and Labour, Brighton or Palace.

And free from people imposing their religious views ?