[News] Middle East conflict

[aolstudios]

Then what are all the personal attacks on my ethnicity and barbs about - can’t you just state your POV without the unnecessary unpleasantness?

I get you disagree with my POV on the situation in Gaza but I’m not stopping you from arguing your own POV or even trying to change your mind on anything - whatever POV it is that causes you to post inappropriate laughter emojis whenever anyone mentions the humanitarian suffering in Gaza is something I could never understand anyway.

Btw - my comment about ‘both sides arguing their POVs without resorting to personal attacks was a general one, applies to both sides of the Israel/Palestinian argument and to anyone - but given my views are not that polarised anyway though but quite nuanced, I don’t feel the need to attack anyone to defend them and I am honestly not clear what it is you so vehemently disagree with that causes you to resort to playing the man rather than the issue?

You are anything but "nuanced".
& I don't believe you post in good faith.
There it is

 

[A1X]

 

[jackanada]

I'd flatter you by saying check your history but this post is full of deliberate ommisions. You're not just mistaken, you're either deeply strange or utterly dishonest about your motivation or even origins. Because of most people's lack of experience of the situation you tend to get away with your endless bizarre epistles on here but I simply don't trust you or even that you believe what you post.
Just to address the first piece of made up bullshit, you're well aware that a two state solution was offered on the creation of Israel, that the Arabs refused it & that the surrounding states immediately attacked, telling the Arabs who lived there to leave & come back when the Jews were eliminated. They lost. Diddums. As they did in 1967. Diddums.
I & several others don't believe what you say & doubt even who you are. No one else has the energy to post as much as you do but it doesn't make it correct or even posted in good faith.

I see this interpretation quite a lot. I don't see how other Arab nations not wanting a western backed army on their doorstep detracts from 10,000 unarmed civilians being "disappeared" by Israel. It's a massive war crime that doesn't merit "diddums".
The idea that 1967 was a defensive war rather than an orchestrated land grab doesn't hold up to much examination either.
But even if we disregard those two events I think that Israel has deliberately expunged even the concept of the green line from it's history suggests that they never wanted a settlement.

 

[carlzeiss]

Three accused of alleged plot to attack Jewish community

Three men are accused of planning a gun attack on the Jewish community in North-West England.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Three accused of alleged plot to attack Jewish community

Three men are accused of planning a gun attack on the Jewish community in North-West England.

www.bbc.co.uk

Great work from the intelligence bods to thwart this.

Not sure why you have posted this in a thread about the conflict in Palestine / Israel though - unless in support of the widely held theory that Israel's disproportionate vengeance is serving only to inspire the next generation of anti-Jewish terrorists?

 

[aolstudios]

Great work from the intelligence bods to thwart this.

Not sure why you have posted this in a thread about the conflict in Palestine / Israel though - unless in support of the widely held theory that Israel's disproportionate vengeance is serving only to inspire the next generation of anti-Jewish terrorists?

Or that the massive resurgence of Antisemitism has inspired & emboldened some scumbags

 

[Zeberdi]

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-11-09/i-was-terrified-islamophobic-incidents-up-by-600-in-uk-since-hamas-attack

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/03/un-experts-warn-islamophobia-rising-alarming-levels

I don’t believe the war in Gaza is primarily concerned with religion yet it has became that for so many people because of entrenched racist attitudes -

IMO it is about a far right land grab and refusing to grant the rights of Palestinians to self determination or Statehood because of a territorial land dispute.

Specific terrorist attacks aside, constantly trying to push an antisemitic agenda on to anyone that opposes what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza is being unwittingly complicit in feeding a false and discriminatory narrative that attempts to rationalise the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians based on religious grounds. It is saying that ‘the slaughter of thousands of children is justified’ because the innocent Palestinians that are being disproportionately killed are Muslim ‘and Muslims all hate Jews and want them dead’. That is Islamophobia not antisemitism.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Or that the massive resurgence of Antisemitism has inspired & emboldened some scumbags

The problem with you is that in your mind any thing anti Israel government or anti what the IDF are doing you consider as Antisemitic - you have, and I suggest purposely, merged two issues. It plays to the pro-Israel audience to suggest everything is Antisemitic.

I've not seen you condemn a single time the murder of 35,000+ innocent civilians by the animals of the IDF. Nor the actions of illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank forcing innocent Palestinians out of their homes and in many cases murdering them ( while the IDF look on and do nothing ). That's not to mention the war crimes committed in Gaza by the IDF ( apparently one of the best trained and most moral armed forces in the world but are so stupid they kill their own country people who are hostages when they are half dressed and waving a white flag ).

There has been a large rise in the hatred of Muslims in the same way there has been a large rise in Antisemitic behaviour. Neither is acceptable. Now I'm sure you'll agree, the former is fuelled by the murderous Hamas attack ? Are you man enough to agree that the Antisemitic behaviour is because of the Israeli actions in both Gaza and the West Bank ? I doubt you are.

ADDITION - we can all use that idiotic laughing emoji you like so much.

 

[Zeberdi]

The problem with you is that in your mind any thing anti Israel government or anti what the IDF are doing you consider as Antisemitic - you have, and I suggest purposely, merged two issues. It plays to the pro-Israel audience to suggest everything is Antisemitic.

Indeed. Accusing those standing up for the rights of Palestinians of antisemitism also conflates the Government of the State of Israel with the Jewish race and Judaism. One of the problems here I think is the polarisation of the argument by people who engage in the issue - I am pro-Israel but anti-Netanyahu. I am pro-Palestinian rights but anti-Hamas. I am Jewish but against extremist forms of Zionism. I am pro-Muslim but against extremist interpretations of Islam.

It is perfectly logical imo to hold a nuanced position that is simply against all forms of political or religious extremism that leads to hatred and persecution of the other. And perfectly logical to hold a humanitarian POV that utterly condemns all forms of persecution and terror, including that by Hamas on 7 October and now by the IDF on civilians.

It’s just a shame that so many people seem not to maintain that kind of logic in their arguments.

ADDITION - we can all use that idiotic laughing emoji you like so much.

But not in response to someone launching a very personal attack on someone preferably. It could be taken the wrong way you intended.

 

[aolstudios]

The problem with you is that in your mind any thing anti Israel government or anti what the IDF are doing you consider as Antisemitic - you have, and I suggest purposely, merged two issues. It plays to the pro-Israel audience to suggest everything is Antisemitic.

I've not seen you condemn a single time the murder of 35,000+ innocent civilians by the animals of the IDF. Nor the actions of illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank forcing innocent Palestinians out of their homes and in many cases murdering them ( while the IDF look on and do nothing ). That's not to mention the war crimes committed in Gaza by the IDF ( apparently one of the best trained and most moral armed forces in the world but are so stupid they kill their own country people who are hostages when they are half dressed and waving a white flag ).

There has been a large rise in the hatred of Muslims in the same way there has been a large rise in Antisemitic behaviour. Neither is acceptable. Now I'm sure you'll agree, the former is fuelled by the murderous Hamas attack ? Are you man enough to agree that the Antisemitic behaviour is because of the Israeli actions in both Gaza and the West Bank ? I doubt you are.

ADDITION - we can all use that idiotic laughing emoji you like so much.

Sorry to burst your bubble but being a 'Man' isn't conditional on agreeing with your very personal view of a complex & tragic situation in the middle east

 

[sparkie]

Great work from the intelligence bods to thwart this.

Not sure why you have posted this in a thread about the conflict in Palestine / Israel though - unless in support of the widely held theory that Israel's disproportionate vengeance is serving only to inspire the next generation of anti-Jewish terrorists?

Or that the massive resurgence of Antisemitism has inspired & emboldened some scumbags

Regretfully it is both the above.

This conflict has brought out the absolute worst in some and it is no-one's finest hour.

 

[Zeberdi]

Israeli activists with the help of sympathetic security services have for months blocked aid en route to Gaza intended to alleviate what is now a full blown famine in the North of Gaza, according to UN

'Don't give them anything, they're murderers': Israeli protesters block aid going into Gaza

For months, a group called Tzav 9, has been blocking aid trucks as they make their way through Israel to a small number of crossings into Gaza.

news.sky.com

"Burn their villages," one said. "Long live Israel," said another.

These attacks have led British Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron to call those involved "extremists", describing their actions as "appalling".

Again, it is innocent children that are being caught in the middle of this hateful conflict.

‘It’s death there’: babies and children hit hardest as famine tightens hold on Gaza

Estimated 27 children killed by famine, with fears many more will suffer lifelong effects, despite Israel’s promise of more aid

www.theguardian.com

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Sorry to burst your bubble but being a 'Man' isn't conditional on agreeing with your very personal view of a complex & tragic situation in the middle east

So still not able to condemn the murder of 35000 civilians then - righty ho. Or indeed the actions of the illegal settlers in the West Bank - some of whom have been sanctioned by the USA and the UK ?

 

[carlzeiss]

Great work from the intelligence bods to thwart this.

Not sure why you have posted this in a thread about the conflict in Palestine / Israel though - unless in support of the widely held theory that Israel's disproportionate vengeance is serving only to inspire the next generation of anti-Jewish terrorists?

There may be relevance or maybe not , probably wasn't worth a new thread though

 

[Alwaysblue]

You are anything but "nuanced".
& I don't believe you post in good faith.
There it is

And no one believes you do either

 

[rippleman]

The problem with you is that in your mind any thing anti Israel government or anti what the IDF are doing you consider as Antisemitic - you have, and I suggest purposely, merged two issues. It plays to the pro-Israel audience to suggest everything is Antisemitic.

I've not seen you condemn a single time the murder of 35,000+ innocent civilians by the animals of the IDF. Nor the actions of illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank forcing innocent Palestinians out of their homes and in many cases murdering them ( while the IDF look on and do nothing ). That's not to mention the war crimes committed in Gaza by the IDF ( apparently one of the best trained and most moral armed forces in the world but are so stupid they kill their own country people who are hostages when they are half dressed and waving a white flag ).

There has been a large rise in the hatred of Muslims in the same way there has been a large rise in Antisemitic behaviour. Neither is acceptable. Now I'm sure you'll agree, the former is fuelled by the murderous Hamas attack ? Are you man enough to agree that the Antisemitic behaviour is because of the Israeli actions in both Gaza and the West Bank ? I doubt you are.

ADDITION - we can all use that idiotic laughing emoji you like so much.

He uses the laughing emoji as a substitute for being unable to come up with any sensible, logical rebuttal of points and arguments made by others. It's the last resort of the ignorant and ill-informed.

I'm looking forward to my laughing emoji. I hope I'm not disappointed.

 

[sydney]

‘either’?

There are not two sides of the same coin here. Accusing any one of not posting in ’good faith’ is meaningless since we are all strangers to each other at the end of the day. However, I can assure you that my only agenda here is trying to help inform/update, to avoid any forms of extreme posturing, and to condemn the indiscriminate killing of innocent people whoever carries it out (and to help keep this thread from descending into a bin fest because I happen to believe, like the situation in Ukraine, it deserves serious discussion thread and all forms of discrimination/persecution need to be called out.)

If people are in support of the way Israel is conducting this war, then they need to come out and say it and defend their positions because just attacking, gaslighting or otherwise baiting other NSCers who are highlighting a humanitarian tragedy is definitely not ‘posting in good faith’ and for reasons I honestly can’t fathom, is an obvious attempt to silence those trying to speak up for the rights of others.

If people also agree with Netanyahu and are against a two state solution, they should also come out and say why rather than attack those who disagree with them.

Israel-Gaza war: Israeli defence chief rejects military regime in Gaza and calls on Netanyahu to decide on postwar governance – as it happened

Yoav Gallant press conference comes after Israeli PM says ‘day after’ discussions pointless until Hamas defeated

www.theguardian.com

Netanyahu is a modern day Hitler ....he's a bastard and i hope he dies a horrible death.

 

[:J)]

Palestinian life under Israeli occupation: An illustrated guide

What it's like to be a Palestinian today, with your whole life occupied.

interactive.aljazeera.com

 

[sydney]

i'm well aware of your viewpoint , anyone supporting Netanyahu's actions has be brainwashed by the media , it's a massive land grab and an attempt by israel to leave what's left of Palestine inert and impotent , huge reserves of oil and gas of the coast and that's what Israel and its allies are looking to gain control of ie steal from Palestine ............in full view of the watching world, makes me sick.

 

[Zeberdi]

i'm well aware of your viewpoint , anyone supporting Netanyahu's actions has be brainwashed by the media , it's a massive land grab and an attempt by israel to leave what's left of Palestine inert and impotent , huge reserves of oil and gas of the coast and that's what Israel and its allies are looking to gain control of ie steal from Palestine ............in full view of the watching world, makes me sick.

- If you are ‘well aware of my viewpoint’ then you will know that I have been saying exactly this for months so we are on the same page