[News] Middle East conflict

[sydney]

We draw up more land for them, cutting up Palestine.

On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. … The UK was part of this. All in history and is FACT. We should be stepping in here and STOPPING the genocide and make steps for peace.

British army were in Palestine to facilitate the procurement of land and establishment of the new homeland, my old man said that at least during the war you knew who the enemy was , it was the first time that him and his commando unit came across booby trapped prams with crying babies in.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

Also, similar thing. We helped give them land.

British army were in Palestine to facilitate the procurement of land and establishment of the new homeland, my old man said that at least during the war you knew who the enemy was , it was the first time that him and his commando unit came across booby trapped prams with crying babies in.

Bloody hell, scary.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

the situation has morphed into something else now , a very important part of real estate on a global level being fought for by proxy combatants from the East and West , what is happening now is modern day genocide and now with the Jews attacking Rafa the slaughter continues....it's indefensible.

Spot on. Those who don’t see that are 100% just anti Muslim/Palestine.

 

[Talby]

Assume you're applying that to October 7th too?

That was extremism.

 

[borat]

Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

He's chair of Labour Friends of Israel which tells you all you need to know about his lack of criticism...

 

[aolstudios]

That was extremism.

As opposed to?..

 

[:J)]

Like an MP from Sussex has any say with mad Bibi

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

International pressure, even from Biden is not having much effect. Netanhayu has gone balls in, more for his own political survival than anything.

But yes, the Labour position has been a cock up. But I sort of understand the reasons why. Everything. Absolutely everything is subordinated to the imperative to neutralise tory / tabloid attack lines. They have to win to make a difference. The time to judge them is after they have done.

I'd like Labour and Conservatives to agree a common policy on foreign policy situations like Gaza and Ukraine. Last thing we need is bickering over people's lives

 

[drew]

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

The vast majority moved there after 1948. In 1919 there were apparently 56k Jews living in the region and that increased to 650k immediately before the declaration of the state of Israel. There were double that number of Palestinians who had also been living there for thousands of years. And there were of course Arabs and Christians also living in the area.

 

[drew]

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

Think you've made the mistake of thinking people can only deal with one thing at time. Everything in the world doesn't stop because of this conflict!!

 

[:J)]

International pressure, even from Biden is not having much effect. Netanhayu has gone balls in, more for his own political survival than anything.

But yes, the Labour position has been a cock up. But I sort of understand the reasons why. Everything. Absolutely everything is subordinated to the imperative to neutralise tory / tabloid attack lines. They have to win to make a difference. The time to judge them is after they have done.

I'd like Labour and Conservatives to agree a common policy on foreign policy situations like Gaza and Ukraine. Last thing we need is bickering over people's lives

No, not for me squire. Labour are done. Enough pandering to the right, and right wing talking points. I want them to drag the focus of political discussion to the left. No more of this NEO-liberalism nonsense. You say: “make a difference”, but I can’t see all that much to tell them apart. But that’s just me, I guess.

And your last point! So you want zero difference between the two major parties? No differences of opinion are allowed? No alternative viewpoints? Similar to North Korea - but instead of just Kim Jung Un, we also have his uncle Fred, and we get to choose between them every five years.

 

[:J)]

Think you've made the mistake of thinking people can only deal with one thing at time. Everything in the world doesn't stop because of this conflict!!

It certainly doesn’t. But one of the original reasons for not agreeing a ceasefire was supposedly to ensure security for the entire world. Not sure if that’s going to go to plan.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

OK, you may feel complicit. I don't.

Anyway all the parties even Cameron are calling for a ceasefire now, are they not? They can now all feel super virtuous, while Bibi carries on with the slaughter.

Not sure anyone is defending Bibi and co every step of the way..... Have I not asked you a million billion times to not exaggerate? Perhaps not.

I know we all want this to stop but venting at an opposition party MP from Hove is ludicrous. I loath Sunk and gang but it would be churlish even to blame our tiny and bad tempered PM for the genocide, let alone an opposition MP.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I want them to drag the focus of political discussion to the left.

What do you think would be the outcome of this at the election?

Sorry I know this isn't a political thread.

I also think there are some situations where we do as a nation need to present a united front. Ukraine and Gaza are two examples

 

[:J)]

OK, you may feel complicit. I don't.

Anyway all the parties even Cameron are calling for a ceasefire now, are they not? They can now all feel super virtuous, while Bibi carries on with the slaughter.

Not sure anyone is defending Bibi and co every step of the way..... Have I not asked you a million billion times to not exaggerate? Perhaps not.

I know we all want this to stop but venting at an opposition party MP from Hove is ludicrous. I loath Sunk and gang but it would be churlish even to blame our tiny and bad tempered PM for the genocide, let alone an opposition MP.

I don’t feel complicit in the slightest, you’re twisting my words. Our government IS though, along with Starmer and anyone who abstained or voted against a ceasefire. As is the international community, which for over 75 years has allowed Israel to carry on with impunity.

And God forbid should anyone disagree with an MP, even an opposition one! No need to call for a policeman, I’m handing myself in.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don’t feel complicit in the slightest, you’re twisting my words. Our government IS though, along with Starmer and anyone who abstained or voted against a ceasefire. As is the international community, which for over 75 years has allowed Israel to carry on with impunity.

And God forbid should anyone disagree with an MP, even an opposition one! No need to call for a policeman, I’m handing myself in.

The creation of Israel in the way it was created was folly. But that's history. And so your take on the last 75 years is partial. The Arabs have always wanted to throw the jews into the sea. America holds all the cards. The 'international community' is what, exactly? The whole world? This hjas all been dealt with mose eloquently on this thread by @Zeberdi and others.

You will be please to know that some in Labour have been 'speaking out'. Oh....hang on....

Unfortunately it is now too late for labour to bin their candidate in the Rochdale Byelection who has apologised profusely for saying "They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want.”. Oh dear. They wanted to be beaten up. It was an open invitation. Contributory negligence!

Anti-semites just cannot help themselves it seems. However because the candidate cannot now be replaced because the byelection is too soon the right is having a field day by claiming that Starmer supports the antisemitism. Even the Independent; from their website "Meanwhile, Labour is facing mounting pressure for their continued support of Rochdale’s by-election candidate after he claimed Israel deliberately relaxed security to allow Hamas to carry out their 7 October attack, to provide grounds to invade Gaza."

Politics is the art of the possible. For you some good honest condemnation of Israel seems to be the start and the finish of it. Join the queue, but be careful to not get too chummy with the bloke in front of you.

 

[borat]

I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.

I've mentioned this before....Peter Kyle is Chair of Labour Friends of Israel and close to Starmer.

He's not going to speak up against the ongoing genocide.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I just heard labour have withdrawn support for the gobshite in Rochdale. Does that mean Labour are OK again, or should we still condemn them for turning a blind eye to the evils of Israel for the last 1,000 years?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Any one still claiming the Israeli response is measured and proportionate needs to.watch this report

The IDF and the Israeli government are absolute scum of the earth and need to be standing in The Hague and punished for their crimes.

 

[Insel affe]

Any one still claiming the Israeli response is measured and proportionate needs to.watch this report

The IDF and the Israeli government are absolute scum of the earth and need to be standing in The Hague and punished for their crimes.

Not gonna happen is it, just strong words from the USA & Uk....

They will do what they want to do, I can only come to the conclusion that Israel or the powers that be in charge want the Palestinian people removed from the complete Gaza strip denying the Palestinian people access to the sea. I would not put it past them to then turn their attentions to the west bank and drive them from there too...

Genocide is the only word that springs to mind, be careful what you wish for Israel, history repeats it's self and your asking for a back lash from countries that won't think twice about dropping a dirty bomb on you.