[News] Middle East conflict

[aolstudios]

YOU ABSOLUTE C**T!!!

This ^
Revealing (again) exactly what he is

 

[aolstudios]

The world would actually be a safer place if Israel did not exist.

Putting aside your disgusting racism (again) - & the fact that no Israel would mean the annihilation of Jews in the area they're indigenous to.
The world would actually be a safer place if a significant amount of islamic regimes & organisations weren't utterly committed to killing all Jews, regardless of circumstances. Anything the modern state of Israel does is irrelevant to this & always has been

 

[wellquickwoody]

The world would be a ‘safer place’ if humans did not exist tbh.

However, as I have said before, ‘Israel’ is not the problem, it is the far right ideology that has swung to power in recent years that is the problem. Even then, they are not the only protagonists here. Iran backed terror groups, Islamic Jihadists operating independently of Iran, forces protecting Western ‘interests’ in the region, forces representing Russian interest in the region - the ME is an extremely complicated melting pot of competing geo-political interests, to suggest one country is responsible for the current instability is naive - to suggest even indirectly, that the ME would be safer if any one of those Countries did not exist, is tantamount to justifying a genocidal solution to the problems which is entirely abhorrent as I am sure you would realise if you had thought your comment through.

1st generation Roadster was tesla first car! They were 2 seaters based on the old Lotus Elise platform so it wouldnt be one of them. It may have been a model S and maybe even the plaid version which does 0-60 in 2 seconds!

Speechless…

YOU ABSOLUTE C**T!!!

cant decide ....popcorn or pringles..??

About a 1/4 of the world may well have said the same about England for many hundreds of years.

Stupid thing to say though.

To clarify, and there will not be any backtracking, I said Israel, not Judaism or members of the Jewish faith. If the state of Israel did not exist there would be no Arab/Israeli conflict, no need to find a two state solution, and no current risk to world peace from the Middle East.

 

[BadFish]

To clarify, and there will not be any backtracking, I said Israel, not Judaism or members of the Jewish faith. If the state of Israel did not exist there would be no Arab/Israeli conflict, no need to find a two state solution, and no current risk to world peace from the Middle East.

To clarify I understood what you were saying, it didn't need clarifying (not speaking for the other but I am guessing they are the same.

I also stand by my comment with no back tracking.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Once again this thread illustrates the complete absence of any workable solution (that doesn't involve an external force intervening, and probably killing even more people than are dying now, possibly all of them on one side or the other, or both).

Rape. Torture. Mutilation. Infanticide. No surrender. Never forgive, never forget.

And absolute certainty on much of the visible leadership of each side, and a significant proportion of the populations, that they are 100% in the right.

 

[BadFish]

Once again this thread illustrates the complete absence of any workable solution (that doesn't involve an external force intervening, and probably killing even more people than are dying now, possibly all of them on one side or the other, or both).

Rape. Torture. Mutilation. Infanticide. No surrender. Never forgive, never forget.

And absolute certainty on much of the visible leadership of each side, and a significant proportion of the populations, that they are 100% in the right.

The absence of a workable solution doesn't mean on is impossible in the future.

It may take many years and many steps forward and backwards.

The first step though is a ceasefire. Surely we can all with our absolute certainty, agree on that.

 

[Zeberdi]

To clarify, and there will not be any backtracking, I said Israel, not Judaism or members of the Jewish faith. If the state of Israel did not exist there would be no Arab/Israeli conflict, no need to find a two state solution, and no current risk to world peace from the Middle East.

Please don’t lump my comments in with the other attacks on you. I was quite reasonable and not rude. I understood where you were coming from (as did @BadFish) and was very aware you were referring to the State of Israel not Jews but your comment was incendiary in the current context - especially as that is exactly the argument that feeds the ideological aims of extreme jihadist fundamentalists (which I hasten to add, you are not!).

So - Yes of course - If the State of Israel had never been created in the first place, there would be no Israel/Arab conflict - which I suspect you really meant. There was still a need however, to create a homeland for the millions of Jews that fled prosecution from Europe though and the lands of Palestine was under British control after taking a share of the spoils as a result of the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Rightly or wrongly, that became the obvious place to create the State of Israel since Palestine and the Israeli territories were historically the birthplace of Judaism (and Islam and Christianity) 3,500 years ago.

Once again this thread illustrates the complete absence of any workable solution (that doesn't involve an external force intervening, and probably killing even more people than are dying now, possibly all of them on one side or the other, or both

That is true of the history of the Middle East and Palestine since 1917 and the final partitioning the Ottoman Empire - The West has been involving itself ever since and have been in every Israel/Palestinian Peace talks since 1948.

It is no good wishing for hypotheticals though as @wellquickwoody is doing (at least I hope it is a hypothetical he talks of and not prescriptive thinking)

The chance for a 2 state solution where the illegally occupied areas of Gaza and the West Bank is part of any independent state is very quickly running out - Gaza because it is likely that strip of land will have no infrastructure left if Israel continues with its bombardment that would support a population of nearly 2 million people and the West Bank because there is absolutely no way that Netanyahu will stop settlement expansion and the condition of any peace deal he makes will be to annex areas already with Jewish settlement.

 

[sydney]

To clarify, and there will not be any backtracking, I said Israel, not Judaism or members of the Jewish faith. If the state of Israel did not exist there would be no Arab/Israeli conflict, no need to find a two state solution, and no current risk to world peace from the Middle East.

pringles it is then.

 

[sydney]

Please don’t lump my comments in with the other attacks on you. I was quite reasonable and not rude. I understood where you were coming from (as did @BadFish) and was very aware you were referring to the State of Israel not Jews but if if you did not mean to advocate the annihilation of Israel, you comment was incendiary in the current context - especially as that is exactly the argument that feeds the ideological aims of extreme jihadist fundamentalists (which I hasten to add, you are not!).

As I said, if humans did not exist, there would be no wars. If Russia did not exist, there would be no Ukraine/Russia conflict. We can all make moot arguments about the current geo-political state of the world ad finitum but it is not helpful. But Britain DOES exist. Israel DOES exist. The proxy wars in Syria and Turkey that have caused instability in the ME have nothing to do with Israel nor did Iraq invading Kuwait nor Iran‘s threats to Pakistan, nor the Taliban’s violence in Afghanistan etc. Whether they involve Israel or not, Middle Eastern conflicts will always threaten world peace because the West and China/Russia/Iran will always have vested interests in the region.

So - Yes of course - If the State of Israel had never been created in the first place, there would be no Israel/Arab conflict - which I suspect you really meant. There was still a need however, to create a homeland for the millions of Jews that fled prosecution from Europe though and the lands of Palestine was under British control after taking a share of the spoils as a result of the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Rightly or wrongly, that became the obvious place to create the State of Israel since Palestine and the Israeli territories were historically the birthplace of Judaism (and Islam and Christianity) 3,500 years ago.

Also, there likely still would have been a need to create an independent State for the Palestinian people regardless of the need to create a home for the Jews because the land they occupied was already being carved up after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire - The agreement of 1917 allocated to Britain control of areas between the Mediterranean Sea and the River Jordan, Jordan, and southern Iraq - by the 1940s the area of Palestine and Iraq were under mandatory control of Britain. Perhaps if Britain did not exist, many conflicts in the Middle East could have been avoided too.


That is true of the history of the Middle East and Palestine since 1917 and the final partitioning the Ottoman Empire (which had been one of the most stable periods in history in SW-Asia and ME) - The West has been involving itself ever since and have been in every Israel/Palestinian Peace talks since 1948.

Partition of the Ottoman Empire | World Civilizations I (HIS101) – Biel

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It is no good wishing for hypotheticals though as @wellquickwoody is doing (at least I hope it is a hypothetical he talks of and not prescriptive thinking)

The difficulty will be getting Hamas to agree a ceasefire to the current war that comes with no promise of a clear pathway towards independence (which Netanyahu is dead set against). However, they would agree to a temporary ceasefire to allow aid in to help the civilian population and negotiate release of terrorists which Israel is refusing.

The chance for a 2 state solution where the illegally occupied areas of Gaza and the West Bank is part of any independent state is very quickly running out and Hamas know that as does the Arab world - Gaza because it is likely that strip of land will have no infrastructure left if Israel continues with its bombardment that would support a population of nearly 2 million people and the West Bank because there is absolutely no way that Netanyahu will stop settlement expansion and the condition of any peace deal he makes will be to annex areas already with Jewish settlement.

i didn't attack him , i was merely ruminating over my choice of snack

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The absence of a workable solution doesn't mean on is impossible in the future.

It may take many years and many steps forward and backwards.

The first step though is a ceasefire. Surely we can all with our absolute certainty, agree on that.

Yep.

 

[knocky1]

Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

Like an MP from Sussex has any say with mad Bibi

 

[knocky1]

Fascism. Kill.

 

[aolstudios]

Fascism. Kill.

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Assume you're applying that to October 7th too?

 

[Zeberdi]

Fascism. Kill.

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One of my most favourite paintings - Picasso’s Guernica commissioned as a protest against Franco - an incredibly powerful painting depicting the horrors of a city being bombarded, ‘inspired‘ by the subsequent aerial bombing of Guernica by the Nazis - saw it in Madrid many years ago. Quite apt.

While Picasso was living in Nazi-occupied Paris during World War II, one German officer allegedly asked him, upon seeing a photo of Guernica in his apartment, "Did you do that?" Picasso responded, "No, you did."

More widely, it has come to represent the horrors of war (and yes, @aolstudios it is also apt imagery for 7/10 too)

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Putting aside your disgusting racism (again) - & the fact that no Israel would mean the annihilation of Jews in the area they're indigenous to.
The world would actually be a safer place if a significant amount of islamic regimes & organisations weren't utterly committed to killing all Jews, regardless of circumstances. Anything the modern state of Israel does is irrelevant to this & always has been

Eeerrrr we pretty much placed them there after WW2, splitting up the region. Imagine if we suddenly had a whole Muslim or better still, Catholic country shoved in the Midlands against all if the UKs civilians wishes post WW2, it would cause the same issues. No, not justifying the the disgusting islamic extremism, which do need wiping out, but I am also wanting people to look at the bigger picture here. Israel, are ****s. Hamas, are ****s. Those poor poor Gazans. Those poor poor Israeli families. But Israels reaction is genocide. Pro Palestine here. Just let them live peacefully without Hamas. NOT Israel run.

 

[aolstudios]

Eeerrrr we pretty much placed them there after WW2, splitting up the region. Imagine if we suddenly had a whole Muslim or better still, Catholic country shoved in the Midlands against all if the UKs civilians wishes post WW2, it would cause the same issues. No, not justifying the the disgusting islamic extremism, which do need wiping out, but I am also wanting people to look at the bigger picture here. Israel, are ****s. Hamas, are ****s. Those poor poor Gazans. Those poor poor Israeli families. But Israels reaction is genocide. Pro Palestine here. Just let them live peacefully without Hamas. NOT Israel run.

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

 

[sydney]

Death and destruction about to peak as Israel tear Rafah apart.
Got a random letter from the House of Commons today from old matey Peter Kyle. He wants me to know that he is working with Labour Councillors to ensure that local consultations will see whether we get more bicycle hangars taking up street car parking or not. Why's he told me that?
No wonder he had no time to plea for Palestinian lives. A busy man oblivious to slaughter.

an indication of what a pack of arse hats these people are.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

We draw up more land for them, cutting up Palestine.

On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day. … The UK was part of this. All in history and is FACT. We should be stepping in here and STOPPING the genocide and make steps for peace.

 

[sydney]

We didn't place them. They were already there. Had been for thousands of years. We just gave them a state to make it less likely they'd be regularly massacred

the situation has morphed into something else now , a very important part of real estate on a global level being fought for by proxy combatants from the East and West , what is happening now is modern day genocide and now with the Jews attacking Rafa the slaughter continues....it's indefensible.