[News] Middle East conflict

[Zeberdi]

"you basically accused me of being a terrorist and anti-Semitic?"
I never did any such thing, or anything that could be interpreted as such.
Stop making things up, it makes you look silly/weird/extraordinarily unreliable

. “Ok, I've given you the benefit of the doubt this far but I don't think I believe you post in good faith on here. Ever. Your increasingly desperate, bizarrely massive, hysterical screeds, claiming to be neutral while without exception somehow managing to be an apologist for Hamas

And, to clarify, this is not an 'ad hominem' attack - to use his favourite phrase - on the poster in question, it's an attack on the entity he is posting on behalf of”

Well, exactly. Hence my increasing suspicion

“That is not true. Jewish Israeli kids are not inoculated against the politics. How can you even make that judgement. Your antisemitic prejudice is truly showing.”

And this /\ One of the many examples of posts on this thread that you gave a thumbs up to for calling me anti-semitic.

 

[Pavilionaire]

How ironic that a thread about a bitter war has degenerated into a bitter war of words.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

How ironic that a thread about a bitter war has degenerated into a bitter war of words.

On here, and everywhere else

 

[aolstudios]

Not only does that not back up your accusations one bit but you've mysteriously managed to make the 3rd quote look like mine. When you know it isn't.
Anyone might think you're not posting in good faith.
Again

 

[Zeberdi]

Ok that’s enough - I’m done.

The issue is too serious to be discussed like this.

 

[aolstudios]

Ok that’s enough - I’m done.

The issue is too serious to be discussed like this.

On that we agree

 

[armchairclubber]

Ok that’s enough - I’m done.

The issue is too serious to be discussed like this.

On that we agree.

 

[armchairclubber]

Anything you choose to put on an open forum is open to a response from others. If you don’t want to see those responses, you can put other members on ignore. It’s either that, or don’t post in the first place if you can’t handle the reaction

Anything else to say ?

 

[armchairclubber]

Let's keep the people of Palestine in our hearts and minds calling for an immediate ceasefire and a peaceful solution.

 

[armchairclubber]

 

[armchairclubber]

Anything you choose to put on an open forum is open to a response from others. If you don’t want to see those responses, you can put other members on ignore. It’s either that, or don’t post in the first place if you can’t handle the reaction

You've still not replied to my question of yesterday.

Your input above appears to be your only post in this particular thread and I find it strange that you choose to target me.

Is there anything else you'd like to add on the Genocide currently taking place in Palestine?

 

[aolstudios]

Corbyn's Jew hating acolytes DDN & notorious obsessive Antisemite lowkey. Fabulous.
I'm convinced now.
Who you got next? Chris Williamson & David Miller? Galloway? Chemical Ali?

 

[thejackal]

Another day, another thousand words from the self-appointed thread curator

Corbyn's Jew hating acolytes DDN & notorious obsessive Antisemite lowkey. Fabulous.
I'm convinced now.
Who you got next? Chris Williamson & David Miller? Galloway? Chemical Ali?

I have to say, neither of you have engaged with any of the points made, either by the posters or in the videos they have posted.

It appears that some people, when confronted with facts or opinions that oppose their own, simply resort to epithets and insults. It's not very intelligent or a particularly 'good look', in my opinion.

I think @Zeberdi is right to disengage with you two but I think it is to the detriment of this thread and this board in general. I think most people reading this thread will agree that his posts are thoughtful and well-researched.

You don't win an argument by shouting people down or bullying them off the board.

 

[ClemFandango]

Let's keep the people of Palestine in our hearts and minds calling for an immediate ceasefire and a peaceful solution.

Let’s keep the Israeli hostages.. the babies, the children, the 18-year-old women etc.. in our hearts and minds too

 

[aolstudios]

Let’s keep the Israeli hostages.. the babies, the children, the 18-year-old women etc.. in our hearts and minds too

Well, exactly

 

[Guinness Boy]

I have to say, neither of you have engaged with any of the points made, either by the posters or in the videos they have posted.

It appears that some people, when confronted with facts or opinions that oppose their own, simply resort to epithets and insults. It's not very intelligent or a particularly 'good look', in my opinion.

I think @Zeberdi is right to disengage with you two but I think it is to the detriment of this thread and this board in general. I think most people reading this thread will agree that his posts are thoughtful and well-researched.

You don't win an argument by shouting people down or bullying them off the board.

No one's winning an argument here.

The same four or five people are posting repeatedly and they've not yet once got the 'other side' to agree. It's like the mini-Brexit thread du jour. The IDF aren't going to pull out of the Gaza Strip because some bloke on a football site asks them nicely nor is anyone going to win the internet.

As stated before, if there's name calling and bullying going on it needs to be reported.

However, dismissing a source is entirely valid. Almost the whole board seem to be doing this on the Barton thread to almost unanimous approval.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I have to say, neither of you have engaged with any of the points made, either by the posters or in the videos they have posted.

It appears that some people, when confronted with facts or opinions that oppose their own, simply resort to epithets and insults. It's not very intelligent or a particularly 'good look', in my opinion.

I think @Zeberdi is right to disengage with you two but I think it is to the detriment of this thread and this board in general. I think most people reading this thread will agree that his posts are thoughtful and well-researched.

You don't win an argument by shouting people down or bullying them off the board.

Nobody's seeking to shout people down or bully them off the board. But IMHO they should be called out when they attempt to subtly steer the thread by swamping it with links and videos of their choosing. And as for that other guy who posts all those videos from something called Double Down News. I mean, really?

 

[thejackal]

No one's winning an argument here.

The same four or five people are posting repeatedly and they've not yet once got the 'other side' to agree. It's like the mini-Brexit thread du jour. The IDF aren't going to pull out of the Gaza Strip because some bloke on a football site asks them nicely nor is anyone going to win the internet.

As stated before, if there's name calling and bullying going on it needs to be reported.

However, dismissing a source is entirely valid. Almost the whole board seem to be doing this on the Barton thread to almost unanimous approval.

I completely agree with your first 3 statements. There are some things that some people are never going to agree on and, very obviously, this board can only influence the minds of the Brighton fans that frequent it.

However, I do think it's a bit lazy to dismiss sources based solely on personal bias. The whole point of a discussion board is an exchange of ideas. If someone refuses to listen to opposing ideas because they don't like who's presenting them, or they disagree with positions that source may have taken on other issues in the past, then why are they even posting on the thread?

I get my news from many sources from all over the world, both mainstream & independent. It doesn't mean I approve of what they all say but I don't dismiss them out of hand without reading them because I don't like what they've said in the past.

I haven't got the time to read all 22 pages of the Joey Barton thread but I'm not sure this is quite the same thing. Doubtless most people on here regard Joey Barton as a berk, on that we can agree too.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I completely agree with your first 3 statements. There are some things that some people are never going to agree on and, very obviously, this board can only influence the minds of the Brighton fans that frequent it.

However, I do think it's a bit lazy to dismiss sources based solely on personal bias. The whole point of a discussion board is an exchange of ideas. If someone refuses to listen to opposing ideas because they don't like who's presenting them, or they disagree with positions that source may have taken on other issues in the past, then why are they even posting on the thread?

I get my news from many sources from all over the world, both mainstream & independent. It doesn't mean I approve of what they all say but I don't dismiss them out of hand without reading them because I don't like what they've said in the past.

I haven't got the time to read all 22 pages of the Joey Barton thread but I'm not sure this is quite the same thing. Doubtless most people on here regard Joey Barton as a berk, on that we can agree too.

Sorry, all I was meaning about sources of reporting, videos etc is that there is value in both OR either dismissing the report or the source.

Almost every media outlet has an agenda and angle because they're after a particular market. In the US you know what you're getting with CNN and also Fox, they don't even hide it. Same with the Mail and Guardian here. And people on NSC routinely point out the biases of those organisations without losing the argument or resorting to ad hominem.

In this case, pointing out DDN's association with the Corbyn side of the argument sets the picture. He's never going to agree with the Israelis on anything. Taking a specific report, watching it and deconstructing it point by point is a far better intellectual exercise and might teach both the writer and reader something more, but it won't win a polarised argument and most people on here simply don't have the time for it.

 

[thejackal]

Sorry, all I was meaning about sources of reporting, videos etc is that there is value in both OR either dismissing the report or the source.

Almost every media outlet has an agenda and angle because they're after a particular market. In the US you know what you're getting with CNN and also Fox, they don't even hide it. Same with the Mail and Guardian here. And people on NSC routinely point out the biases of those organisations without losing the argument or resorting to ad hominem.

In this case, pointing out DDN's association with the Corbyn side of the argument sets the picture. He's never going to agree with the Israelis on anything. Taking a specific report, watching it and deconstructing it point by point is a far better intellectual exercise and might teach both the writer and reader something more, but it won't win a polarised argument and most people on here simply don't have the time for it.

Fair play, I can't really disagree with any of that.