[News] Middle East conflict

[armchairclubber]

 

[Zeberdi]

WARNING The video in the post above has some very distressing live video of dead and wounded children - I would recommend listen rather than watch if it is likely to upset you.

 

[armchairclubber]

WARNING The video in the post above has some very distressing live video of dead and wounded children - I would recommend listen rather than watch if it is likely to upset you.

My apologies Zeberdi, I should have perhaps given warning.

I find DDN as honest and reliable a source of journalism as I think we are likely to find, though with video the truth can unfortunately be seen graphically as well as heard.

 

[aolstudios]

My apologies Zeberdi, I should have perhaps given warning.

I find DDN as honest and reliable a source of journalism as I think we are likely to find, though with video the truth can unfortunately be seen graphically as well as heard.

I'd suggest, as does everyone I know outside the Corbynite bubble, that DDN is about as partial & unreliable a source of journalism as it's possible to find.

 

[armchairclubber]

@aolstudios could I politely request that you also block me and do not react to my posts.

 

[aolstudios]

@aolstudios could I politely request that you also block me and do not react to my posts.

Because I disagreed with you?
Check out DDN's contributors. It's pretty much a roll call of anyone of note who worked for Corbyn, put him in power, lauded Hamas/Hezbollah or was in thrall to Putin over the years. If you can't cope with polite debate why are you on here? Serious question

 

[armchairclubber]

 

[Billy the Fish]

I find DDN as honest and reliable a source of journalism

Yeah, I could've guessed that!

 

[Zeberdi]

My apologies Zeberdi, I should have perhaps given warning.

I find DDN as honest and reliable a source of journalism as I think we are likely to find, though with video the truth can unfortunately be seen graphically as well as heard.

No worries.

John Pilger (RIP) one of the most respected Western war correspondents very much known for his pro-Palestine views but likewise probably unacceptable to those who only want to see the conflict from a US/UK pro-Israel perspective talks in depth about how the West portrays the conflict and as I mentioned above, how all journalists are targeted by the IDF now. An interview he did after the outbreak of violence in May 2021.

 

[armchairclubber]

I'm afraid that's not how this forum works. No user can force another user not to reply to their posts, nor force them to put you on ignore. A mod shouldn't, imo, enable such a request either (though I see that I do have the ability to force him to ignore you).

Instead, I'd suggest that you ignore any user whose posts you don't wish to see. If you don't know how to do that, I can force you to ignore him if you wish.

@Guinness Boy @hans kraay fan club FYI

No that's OK thanks. I appear to have that particular 'monkey off my back'. As previously mentioned, I didnt really find his campaigning appropriate on this thread as there are others on the board for that. Cheers

 

[aolstudios]

No worries.

John Pilger (RIP) one of the most respected Western war correspondents very much known for his pro-Palestine views but likewise probably unacceptable to those who only want to see the conflict from a US/UK pro-Israel perspective talks in depth about how the West portrays the conflict and as I mentioned above, how all journalists are targeted by the IDF now. An interview he did after the outbreak of violence in May 2021.

Sorry, but his energetically pro Assad, Milosovic, Putin etc polemics have somewhat ruined that early reputation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/05/john-pilger-journalist-reporting-bosnia-cambodia-serbia/

 

[Guinness Boy]

@aolstudios could I politely request that you also block me and do not react to my posts.

I’m sure this will end in more thinly veiled threats off board, but this isn’t how NSC works.

If you post an opinion or source you should expect it to be challenged. It’s the whole raison d’etre of a message board.

 

[armchairclubber]

I’m sure this will end in more thinly veiled threats off board, but this isn’t how NSC works.

If you post an opinion or source you should expect it to be challenged. It’s the whole raison d’etre of a message board.

I beg your pardon?

 

[Zeberdi]

Sorry, but his energetically pro Assad, Milosovic, Putin etc polemics have somewhat ruined that early reputation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/05/john-pilger-journalist-reporting-bosnia-cambodia-serbia/

You really can’t bear that there is an alternative perspective on any of this can you?

Any time anyone posts any links to what might be considered a Palestinian point of view you have a hissy fit and accuse them of bias or, as per most of your contributions on this thread, accuse them of being anti-semitic or supporting terrorism - or simply troll their answers with laughter emojis.

John Pilger was a very well respected journalist because he did exactly that - spoke up for those who were oppressed, under occupation or threatened with genocide despite doing so while most MSM was looking at the world through the lenses of imperialistic cultural biases..

Try an get outside the bubble of your western bias and consider what life is like for the ordinary Palestinian in Gaza at the moment- and yes, I know it was a terrible massacre, we have said so repeatedly….this genocide is happening because of a US/UK bias in supporting Israel as much as anything else.

Like I’ve said before, by the time those that can do something to stop genocide actually accept or even realise what is happening it is often too late to save the victims.

 

[aolstudios]

You really can’t bear that there is an alternative perspective on any of this can you?

Any time anyone posts any links to what might be considered a Palestinian point of view you have a hissy fit and accuse them of bias or, as per most of your contributions on this thread, accuse them of being anti-semitic or supporting terrorism.

John Pilger was a very well respected journalist because he did exactly that - spoke up for those who were oppressed, under occupation or threatened with genocide despite doing so while most MSM was looking at the world through the lenses of imperialistic cultural biases..

Try an get outside the bubble of your western bias and consider what life is like for the ordinary Palestinian in Gaza at the moment- and yes, I know it was a terrible massacre, we have said so repeatedly….this genocide is happening because of a US/UK bias in supporting Israel as much as anything else.

Like I’ve said before, by the time those that can do something to stop genocide actually accept or even realise what is happening it is often too late to save the victims.

My point had nothing to do with his view on Palestine. It was that his work for most of the last 30 plus years has utterly tarnished his early reputation. He's been about as well respected as George Galloway or Alex Jones for decades, due to his enthusiastic cheering on of Milosovic, Asaad & Putin, among others. Interesting that you chose not to address this at all, simply attacking me & what you presume to know I feel

 

[Zeberdi]

My point had nothing to do with his view on Palestine.

Then why make it in response to an interview I posted about Palestine on a thread that is discussing Palestine ffs

His views on Palestine are widely respected and were quite prophetic too.

Ps I see you are back to using laughter emojis in response to comments you don’t like - @Bozza warned you about that last week.

 

[aolstudios]

Then why make it in response to an interview I posted about Palestine on a thread that is discussing Palestine ffs

His views on Palestine are widely respected and were quite prophetic too.

Ps I see you are back to using laughter emojis in response to comments you don’t like - @Bozza warned you about that last week.

I used the laughter emoji because I felt your post merited it. I'm not aware that its use was actually banned?
& I was responding to your description of Pilger. Lauding him as close to infallible, when for decades he's been seen by most as a dangerous crank. For the reasons I mentioned. Twice.
Have a good day

 

[Zeberdi]

n. He's been about as well respected as George Galloway or Alex Jones for decades, due to his enthusiastic cheering on of Milosovic, Asaad & Putin, among others. Interesting that you chose not to address this at all, simply attacking me & what you presume to know I feel

Any time anyone posts any links to what might be considered a Palestinian point of view you have a hissy fit and accuse them of bias or, as per most of your contributions on this thread, accuse them of being anti-semitic or supporting terrorism - or simply troll their answers with laughter emojis.

The above isn’t an ‘attack’ it is just pointing out what numerous people have already pointed out re some of you contributions to the thread …or did you forgot a few days ago you basically accused me of being a terrorist and anti-Semitic? But that’s not really an issue tbh.

As for Pilger - he was was indeed well respected by many for his views on Palestine regardless of his later work. That was the point of posting his interview- it provides a perspective we don’t normally give air to in the West because of inherent cultural bias.

If you are suggesting that what is contained in the linked interviews/blogs are not accurate descriptions of the situation in Gaza then of course that’s fair enough - but when videos include film of a disabled person being tipped out of their wheelchair by an IDF soldier and Palestinians being systematically abused and humiliated, it is hard to see how that is ‘fake’ - but please provide alternative sources to refute them, I agree with things needing to be fact checked - it is simply not enough however, to say just because some sources are obviously pro-Palestine in their perspective that they are invalid or false. That indeed would be a biased approach.

An impartial approach considers truth from all perspectives that’s all - something journalists used to be good at before becoming mouthpieces for power and government.

 

[aolstudios]

The above isn’t an ‘attack’ it is just pointing out what numerous people have already pointed out re some of you contributions to the thread …or did you forgot a few days ago you basically accused me of being a terrorist and anti-Semitic? But that’s not really an issue tbh.

As for Pilger - he was was indeed well respected by many for his views on Palestine regardless of his later work. That was the point of posting his interview- it provides a perspective we don’t normally give air to in the West because of inherent cultural bias.

If you are suggesting that what is contained in the linked interviews/blogs are not accurate descriptions of the situation in Gaza then of course that’s fair enough - but when videos include film of a disabled person being tipped out of their wheelchair by an IDF soldier and Palestinians being systematically abused and humiliated, it is hard to see how that is ‘fake’ - but please provide alternative sources to refute them, I agree with things needing to be fact checked - it is simply not enough however, to say just because some sources are obviously pro-Palestine in their perspective that they are invalid or false. That indeed would be a biased approach.

An impartial approach considers truth from all perspectives that’s all.

"you basically accused me of being a terrorist and anti-Semitic?"
I never did any such thing, or anything that could be interpreted as such.
Stop making things up, it makes you look silly/weird/extraordinarily unreliable

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The above isn’t an ‘attack’ it is just pointing out what numerous people have already pointed out re some of you contributions to the thread …or did you forgot a few days ago you basically accused me of being a terrorist and anti-Semitic? But that’s not really an issue tbh.

As for Pilger - he was was indeed well respected by many for his views on Palestine regardless of his later work. That was the point of posting his interview- it provides a perspective we don’t normally give air to in the West because of inherent cultural bias.

If you are suggesting that what is contained in the linked interviews/blogs are not accurate descriptions of the situation in Gaza then of course that’s fair enough - but when videos include film of a disabled person being tipped out of their wheelchair by an IDF soldier and Palestinians being systematically abused and humiliated, it is hard to see how that is ‘fake’ - but please provide alternative sources to refute them, I agree with things needing to be fact checked - it is simply not enough however, to say just because some sources are obviously pro-Palestine in their perspective that they are invalid or false. That indeed would be a biased approach.

An impartial approach considers truth from all perspectives that’s all.

Another day, another thousand words from the self-appointed thread curator