Wokeworrier
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They also seem to regularly associate with Israels enemies, holocaust deniers and terrorists intent on the destruction of Israel ...
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How fecked up is religionThey also seem to regularly associate with Israels enemies, holocaust deniers and terrorists intent on the destruction of Israel ...
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NorthstandRacoon
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Hamas will always be there. They go, more extremism will follow, it is a viscious cycle. But do agree with what you are saying, to some degree
Indeed. And Gaza is a one-headed hydra right now. Cut off the head, as Israel may, new heads will grow.
There were also Jewish groups and individuals on every march in London.
They will be labelled the "wrong sort" of Jews and smeared as anti-semites. A tactic frivolously employed by the Labour right / right wingers to anyone sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians
NorthstandRacoon
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Gotta be diplomatic solutions only? But apparently that’s been tried for years?
America vetos anything that would compel the Israelis to do anything they refuse to do. With their government often being the right wing Likud in a coalition with raving zealots, any whiff of rolling back the occupation of the west bank by 'settlers' claiming their biblical heritage, for example, is off the agenda.
I can't see any progress being made till America changes it's 'my Israel, right or wrong' policy. The irony is that if it did that, and if Israel put its right wing nutters in their place, they could acquire the moral upper hand over Gaza, and negotiate either a settlement or, if Hamas won't disarm, full invasion and take over, rebuilding a modern state with encouragement of emergence of non sectarian Palestinian political leadership, guaranteed by a permanent Israeli armed presence, rather like a turbo version of Northern Ireland before the peace process (which seems to be what the Israelis are doing now, albeit left to their own devices they will simply destroy without rebuilding, I suspect).
Ironically perhaps, I think the biggest obstacle to lasting peace is the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, rather than the whirling dervish that is Palestine.
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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Does Hamas want a ceasefire?
Isn't that what they tried to do in 2005 when Israel pulled out of Gaza?
- Jul 10, 2003
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As discussed earlier in some detail, the problem is that for any extreme Israeli groups not wanting a two state solution then supporting Hamas is ideal as it splits the Palestinian extreme support away from the moderates.
If you have the time, there are lots of interviews and first hand reports from Israeli officials at the time explaining how they backed Hamas (and it's forerunners) in order to try and split Palestinian support away from the powerful and secular PLO who were wanting a two state solution.
I wonder if they now regard what they did as successful
Yes, I've seen that. This view, obviously, became less popular after 1988 when Hamas became a fully-fledged military/terrorist organisation (subsequently supported and controlled by Iran) but came back into vogue from 2014 under Netanyahu's leadership.
Some similarity with the US funding Bin Laden during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and enabling the creation of Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation.
And at the moment it seems the extremes who have the upper hand (on both sides) with no sign of that changing
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Followed by a right wing Israeli backlash, heralding the resurrection of Bibi and the lurch to where we are today? Possibly.
nicko31
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They aided Hamas as they knew they never wanted peace and that suited them just fine.As discussed earlier in some detail, the problem is that for any extreme Israeli groups not wanting a two state solution then supporting Hamas is ideal as it splits the Palestinian extreme support away from the moderates.
And at the moment it seems the extremes who have the upper hand (on both sides) with no sign of that changing
Its a total crime the US has stood by for decades and watched Israel build more and more settlements in the West Bank. The Trump era coupled with a far right Israeli government just fanned the flames.
This map is tragic. All these Israeli nature reserves, honestly WTF...
- Jul 10, 2003
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The one and only issue is still how do you stop the horrendous atrocities being carried on innocent civilians from both sides 
The only definite is that wiping out Israel, Hamas or any other group is simply going to prolong it for further generations, and anyone supporting any of these aims, either directly or tacitly are actively contributing to and increasing the murders of those innocents
The only definite is that wiping out Israel, Hamas or any other group is simply going to prolong it for further generations, and anyone supporting any of these aims, either directly or tacitly are actively contributing to and increasing the murders of those innocents
aolstudios
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How can you negotiate with a death cult? Their stated intention is to kill all the Jews
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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These poor traumatised innocent people on both sides of the divide will be suffering PTSD for the rest of their livesThe one and only issue is still how do you stop the horrendous atrocities being carried on innocent civilians from both sides
The only definite is that wiping out Israel, Hamas or any other group is simply going to prolong it for further generations, and anyone supporting any of these aims, either directly or tacitly are actively contributing to and increasing the murders of those innocents
- Jul 10, 2003
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These poor traumatised innocent people on both sides of the divide will be suffering PTSD for the rest of their lives
A huge number of those involved are under 18. Sadly there's nothing post about what they suffer, it has been an ongoing daily part of their entire lives. But apparently, negotiation is not the answer, so more of the same then
nicko31
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The proportion of children dead in Gaza is almost the same as the proportion of the Gaza. Its tragic and shows a sledgehammer approach is being used with little care.A huge number of those involved are under 18. Sadly there's nothing post about what they suffer, it has been an ongoing daily part of their entire lives. But apparently, negotiation is not the answer, so more of the same then
Hamas Hostage Shani Louk Beheaded After She Was Paraded Naked Through Streets of Gaza, Israeli President Says
Israeli-German hostage Shani Louk was beheaded by Hamas after being kidnapped from a music festival and then paraded through the streets of Gaza by terrorists on Oct. 7, Israel's president says.
themessenger.com
Presumably, you're referring to Hamas when you say "death cult". How do you explain the lack of progress in the years prior to Hamas' rise to prominence?
aolstudios
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The Palestinians' previous leaders were offered many & various proposals for piece & 2 state solutions from 1948 onwards. They turned every single one down & continued the current policy of constant shelling (100s of indiscriminate rockets daily, for years. Many of which miss & kill their own citizens - weirdly included in the numbers of Palestinians lost in the 'war') & random murders in Israel. Celebrated with dancing & distribution of candies