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Zeberdi

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Even in your beloved EU, Hungary and Slovakia are braking ranks and are refusing to change their demographics, for fear of what we have seen in London today. Sweden, once a great bastion of multi culturism has no gone areas where the Police dare not go.
Considering I live in the west and enjoy all the freedoms and tech innovations that has to offer, I don’t like what the alternative might look like. ( I assume you enjoy all the freedoms enjoyed by me as well as you’re on this forum and not living in a country which chops hands off if you steal something)
I’m not sure what you are saying here - ‘fear’ of what exactly? - Did I miss a large scale terrorist attack in London today? (re, Sweden, answered above). Are you suggesting that the Peace marches in London should be seen as a sign of some kind of Islamic takeover and X videos of muslims praying for peace in London is something we should be scared of, if not in itself, but a warning of something more sinister? I personally thought the sight of muslim worshippers on the streets of London was incredibly powerful in a good way - perhaps I am being naive but then I have no fear of Islam only of extremism and prejudicial stereotyping in any form, regardless of the religious or political ideology it purports to represent.
One of the main focus points of my original post was the geo-political focus of Iran and Russia/Chinese axis of the sponsoring of Hamas and Hezbollah.
Yes - there are some interesting dynamics at play (and which are very complex!) - Russia has for years been largely cosy or at least ambivalent to Hamas and the relationship is admittedly getting warmer - but there is no proof that Russia sponsors Hamas ( in the way they are sponsored by Iran ie- arming them, harbouring camps/infrastructure) or was complicit in the Hamas incursion on 7/10 - that would be groundbreaking news - the ‘true’ Axis of Resistance with regard to violent uprising against Israel (using Hezbollah and Hamas as proxy armies) remains to be Syria, Lebanon and Iran - Russia’s relationship with Hamas/Israel is largely with the motive of positioning itself to maximise political influence in the global south but not with the aim of arming Hamas/Hezbollah to internally destabilise Israel - Iran’s, on the other hand, is to do exactly that, destabilise the Middle East by sponsoring terrorism to undermine the normalising relations between Gulf States and Israel/US and pursue a Radical Fundamentalist Jihadist agenda to irradiate Israel.

Russia doesn’t want to eradicate Israel (afaik!) - Although crypto-currency has passes from a Moscow exchange, and the relationship with Hamas is getting warmer, it is largely with regard to Russia pragmatically forging strategic interests as the main political/economic influence in the Global South (including being the main influence in Syria over Iran) and not wanting to alienate allies rather than causing chaos and instability (which could too easily spread into Russia).


He has cultivated a relationship with Iran and Xi in support in Ukraine, whilst his relationship with Israel he has tossed aside. His folly in Ukraine he desperately wants to be forgotten, so this is a useful distraction for him.
That’s not entirely the case though - while Russia has not supported Israel in the Security Council over it’s bombardment of Gaza, and relations with Netanyahu have cooled, ties between Israel and Russia are still strong - but yes, the war in Israel/Gaza has complicated the dynamic of Israel’s security pact with Russia in relation to Syria since Iran’s closer ties to Russia, implicitly puts Russia into the mix of at least turning a blind eye to Iran-backed Hezbollah attacking Israel from the Lebanon and Syrian borders. Israel refused to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and refused to arm Ukraine against Russia despite political pressure from her Western allies . In fact, under Netanyahu‘s far-right government, relationships with illiberal countries like Russia are becoming more aligned -
We are in a global proxy war with Iran, Russia, China plus other major emerging countries. Israel is just the obvious front line we see.
The west as we know it has been asleep at the wheel
What ‘wheel’ is that? Seems to be an inherent contradiction in this statement, no? - The West has been in the thick of proxy wars with Russia and Iran - The US particularly, has been driving the car with eyes wide open with regard to Ukraine and Israel/Middle Eastern policy for decades - (and unilaterally triggers some of the instability in parts of the World - especially in it’s foreign policy to South American countries that have an antithetical political approach to liberal democracy and have Russian strategic interests )https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America#:~:text=The participation of the United,prevalent during the Cold War. )

- ‘Israel’s move to a far-right, theocratic State, has been aided and abetted by far-right elements in American politics (including Trump’s Republicanism) which has bought it more in line with Russia - the extremist Religious Zionists in Netanyahu’s axis of influence are more in common with Hamas/Russia than they are with Fatah/The Palestinian Authority or the Biden Administration.
 
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Bakero

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Humans have tried numerous systems; tyrants, pirates, power hungry kings/emperors, Dictators, fascists, communists, socialists, religious zealots, ethnic cleansing in Europe.
I think by far the west has provided the most stable, free and secure we’ve tried.
I’d love to hear your vision of what you think would replace it.

I vote we try pirates again. They didn't get a fair crack of the whip last time.
 




knocky1

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Bottom of Waterloo Street. Peace Statue



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Red Cross and Red Crescent 'deeply alarmed' by Al-Quds hospital evacuation order (BBC)
The Red Cross and Red Crescent have said they are "deeply alarmed" after staff at the Al-Quds hospital in Gaza were told to immediately evacuate the site.
The hospital is thought to be providing shelter to more than 14,000 civilians as well as hundreds of patients.
A statement from International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, the umbrella organisation for the two groups, read: "Hospitals are places of help and refuge; they must be protected at all cost. PRCS's Al-Quds hospital in Gaza city is caring for hundreds of injured people and bed ridden, long-term patients. Evacuating patients, including those in intensive care, on life-support and babies in incubators, is close to, if not impossible in the current situation." It added that healthcare workers "should never be put in front of the impossible dilemma of leaving patients behind or risking their lives staying in the hospital".
 


aolstudios

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You may as well have posted the Westboro Baptist church as an example of Christianity. Then multiplied by a million.
No hardcore antisemite has ever not used Neturei Karta to wash their racism.
Not suggesting you knew, just pointing it out for your sake
 






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aolstudios

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After being informed, I have to say that peace rules. Can't believe these nutters are worse than £##I Netanhayu. Are they evil to wave their flags.
Look them up. They're nutters, paid by Iran. If you want to use them to prove a point you're on the same team as every lazy hardcore Jew hater on the net
 




beorhthelm

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Look them up. They're nutters, paid by Iran. If you want to use them to prove a point you're on the same team as every lazy hardcore Jew hater on the net
i did and they look like extreme Jewish sect that dont agree with the Zionism. they are entitled to their opinion and interpretation of religious scripture as the next. if you have it, provide some evidence, rather than shrill accusations and calling people jew haters.
 


aolstudios

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i did and they look like extreme Jewish sect that dont agree with the Zionism. they are entitled to their opinion and interpretation of religious scripture as the next. if you have it, provide some evidence, rather than shrill accusations and calling people jew haters.
I didn't call him a Jew hater. Every Jew hater uses them to attack Jews though
 




Krafty

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Look them up. They're nutters, paid by Iran. If you want to use them to prove a point you're on the same team as every lazy hardcore Jew hater on the net
The protesters haven't been paid by anyone, all they are doing is sharing their opinion on Zionism. I think that the poster was showing the events happening locally, I didn't know this was occurring nearby, but you believe that they were "spreading their hatred towards Jews"?
 




knocky1

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Look them up. They're nutters, paid by Iran. If you want to use them to prove a point you're on the same team as every lazy hardcore Jew hater on the net
I was at a meeting of people at the Peace Statue to beg for an end of the killing of civilians in Gaza. Many Israeli's agree. Not sure why I'm a jew hater. I'd guess I've met and liked more than you.
 




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