Indeed. This will never end when every single event is turned by some into a justification for everything else. It isn't and never was. On both sides.
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[News] Middle East conflict
- Thread starter Greenbag50
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Many Thanks to everyone who have made very well informed, balanced, educated, well considered and researched, whilst still passionate and honest posts on the actual subject of this thread.
Looks like that has finished now, so I'll dip out with my thanks
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Can people leave the childish name calling, for another time and thread, please.
Wellesley
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- Jul 24, 2013
- 4,973
Thanks for that. It's nice to be appreciated.Many Thanks to everyone who have made very well informed, balanced, educated, well considered and researched, whilst still passionate and honest posts on the actual subject of this thread.
Looks like that has finished now, so I'll dip out with my thanks
Are you going to provide any useful information which is relevant to the Israel-Palestinian conflict?
With the greatest respect you're offering nothing please go and annoy others
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
More chance of peace in the Middle East than that happening
Perry Milkins
Just a quiet guy.
Nitwit
He's learned from his master and has given you an ironic thumbs up.
Sorry if childish name calling offends, but there are some very sad people posting on this and other threads. From my parents' mindset era. I am not sure that calling these sorts our is childish name calling but I shall leave that for a mod to ponder.
1066familyman
Radio User
- Jan 15, 2008
- 15,248
Quite. This is an interesting watch on the British involvement from 1917 - 48 which is a pretty crucial time period for what we see today. Of course, there's much more nuance than this to the whole situation so it's by no means a definitive explanation. It's worth reading the comments section of this video too for some deeper historical analysis and view points.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Takes all sorts I guess
aolstudios
Well-known member
Awful old bastard. A Jew hater to his bones
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
- Oct 20, 2022
- 7,368
Can I please ask you to reconsider? It’s only participation from those who have posted moderate and well-balanced views to date, like yourself, or at least come to the Palestinian question open+minded - that has stopped this thread being pulled too much in one direction or the other and therefore descending into a childish slagging match - I said right at the beginning of the thread that I thought it is important to have debate and discussion and I still feel that but that won’t happen unless we stay on a well balanced trajectory which requires input from posters like yourself! (Reading the room lately, it can’t be too much of me anymore!)Many Thanks to everyone who have made very well informed, balanced, educated, well considered and researched, whilst still passionate and honest posts on the actual subject of this thread.
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Most of what people need to know about the historical and Political framework to these issues, including timelines of peace processes, have been posted on the thread - including links to some key documents - the issues are very complex and in modern times, the conflict has its source in a more imperialistic, post-colonial, period of British history as @Psychobilly freakout mentioned above, The UN was in its infancy the world had woken up to the full horrors of the Holocaust - the world was not the same in 1948 as it is today - which is why I suggest starting with page one of this thread if you really want to make it easier for yourself to digest and just read through some of the links that have been posted along the way - I promise you will gain enough understanding that you will be able to make your own value judgments about the War.
Re Hamas - @Seagull is right - The West Bank has been under the rule of the Western friendly Palestinian Authority, (PA) since 1993, when Clinton, the then Palestinian Liberation Organisation, under Yasser Arrafat and PLO negotiator (and now PA leader) Abbas Mahmoud and Yitzshak Rabin signed the Oslo Peace Accords (part 1) - The PLO renounced violence and were no longer designated a terrorist organisation- The Oslo agreement created a self-ruling body jointly for the West Bank and Gaza - Hamas and Fatah were the elected two majority parties that formed the Palestinian Authority but they parted company on ideological grounds in 2005/6, Hamas becoming more radicalised took over Gaza by violently defeating Fatah members which left the PA, with Abbas as its leader to ruling over the West Bank while Hamas ruled over Gaza with a power that has not been mandated since by popular vote/election.
What Is Hamas?
The Palestinian militant group struggled to govern the Gaza Strip before launching a surprise attack on Israel in 2023. Now facing Israel’s military campaign to destroy it, Hamas’s future is in doubt…
www.cfr.org
Yitzshak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by Yigal Amir, “an Israeli who opposed the Oslo Accords on religious grounds. Rabin’s murder was followed by a string of terrorist attacks by Hamas, which undermined support for the Labor Party in Israel’s May 1996 elections. New Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu hailed from the Likud Party, which had historically opposed Palestinian statehood and withdrawal from the occupied territories.” Netanyanhu has recently formed coalition support from the Religious Zionists (who also oppose Palestinian Statehood) and members of the Likud Party.
Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian
history.state.gov 3.0 shell
history.state.gov
While Hamas has a presence in the West Bank it’s resistance activities have, since the separation in 2005/6 largely been suppressed by the PA working glove in hand with Israel - however Hamas, along with every other terrorist group in the region, including the Palestinian Islamic Jihadists (PIJ) (who are among the suspects for bombing the hospital) have been enjoying a resurgence in the West Bank as a result of Hezbollah (State-sponsored by Iran/Lebanon/Syria) having had increasing insurgency in the West Bank and Gaza - bringing arms into the area, recruiting and forming coalitions with other smaller terrorist groups operating in the Occupied territories and through global networks-
This makes for disturbing reading and goes some way to explain the dynamics of the current conflict
Hezbollah and Iran have opened a fourth battlefront: Inside Israel
Critical as recent developments may prove, they obscure a more dangerous Hezbollah initiative to establish a proxy foothold inside Israel.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
As far as deaths in the West Bank, it has been largely children, imprisoned and beaten for throwing stones - the only tool for unarmed resistance against the Occupation
New research reveals ongoing violence of Palestinian children detained
Palestinian children in the Israeli military detention system face physical and emotional abuse according to new research by Save the Children.
www.savethechildren.org.uk
PS It always helps to look at a map when trying to understand all of this stuff!
Flounce alert!! Very disappointed in you watty. The fact that you had to announce it as wellMany Thanks to everyone who have made very well informed, balanced, educated, well considered and researched, whilst still passionate and honest posts on the actual subject of this thread.
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mile oak
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- May 21, 2023
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Premier League and EFL BANS Israeli and Palestinian flags from stadiums this weekend in an effort t… https://mol.im/a/12650231 via https://dailym.ai/android
I think all flags apart from St George should be banned, why do we need any other flags these countries arent playing at the Amex or other PL or EFL games. Obviously Welsh flags permitted when Welsh teams are playing.
I think all flags apart from St George should be banned, why do we need any other flags these countries arent playing at the Amex or other PL or EFL games. Obviously Welsh flags permitted when Welsh teams are playing.
Insel affe
HellBilly
ok, carry on….
Wooo there doggie, there is always one, that pushes a serious contentious subject, just a bit tooo feckin far…..
- Apr 5, 2014
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What evidence do you have that he is a Jew hater ?