[News] Middle East conflict

[brighton_dave]

Of course I take that view with most the threads on here, and even the idiots arguing on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. Just popping in this thread and seeing the huge huge posts you've spent a long time creating really drilled home the utterly pointless waste of time it all.

Also, it's not trolling. Pointing out it's a waste of time isn't really trolling is it.

To you perhaps. I follow the Ukraine thread, which keeps me updated on what's going on. It's not a waste of time to me or others posting on there. Reading a pointless comment from you is a waste of my time.
How about deleting your account rather than 'wasting your time'?
I won't reply further, I've wasted enough time replying already.

 

[heathgate]

Perhaps you should take that view to the Ukraine, Trump, Starmar and Brexit threads too?

The first post in 6 days to the thread - literally 8 lines of text - followed immediately by two trolling posts and given a thumbs up by another regular troll on this thread.

This isn’t a football match between 2 sides so - Stop trolling this thread please. Some of us have family and friends directly involved.

Edit - interesting post on Reddit

Classic faux pas... quoting a post from a suspended Reddit account.... interesting choice buddy.... anti Semite maybe?..... likely given the banner flag and title.

 

[Zeberdi]

Back on topic - One final more significant update tonight

Reuters is reporting an explosive drone has hit a gasfield in Northern Iraq

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosive-drone-strikes-iraqs-khor-mor-gas-field-sources-2024-01-25/

Today, Friday, the ICJ makes a ruling on whether to agree to an interim injunction against Israel’s war in Gaza pending decision in Africa’s genocide claim (which will take months) and rule for an immediate ceasefire. Even Israel admits with the number of civilian casualties, defending against the ruling would be difficult and has all but said it will simply ignore it.

The court will issue its ruling at 1pm (12pm UK time) in a hearing expected to last about an hour.

Israel braces for interim ICJ ruling on allegation of genocide in Gaza

Behind bullish statements officials have been examining potential scenarios for impending decision in case brought by South Africa

www.theguardian.com

 

[lasvegan]

Back on topic - One final more significant update tonight

Reuters is reporting an explosive drone has hit a gasfield in Northern Iraq

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosive-drone-strikes-iraqs-khor-mor-gas-field-sources-2024-01-25/

Today, Friday, the ICJ makes a ruling on whether to agree to an interim injunction against Israel’s war in Gaza pending Africa’s genocide claim. Even Israel admits with the number of civilian casualties, defending against the ruling would be difficult and has all but said it will simply ignore it:

Israel-Hamas War: What happened on day 111?

Israel strikes southern Lebanese air base controlled by Iran, Hezbollah • CIA chief to meet with Israeli, Qatari officials for Gaza hostage talks

www.jpost.com

Not only can you type 250 words a minute, you can read 250 words a minute….

 

[heathgate]

Back on topic - One final more significant update tonight

Reuters is reporting an explosive drone has hit a gasfield in Northern Iraq

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosive-drone-strikes-iraqs-khor-mor-gas-field-sources-2024-01-25/

Today, Friday, the ICJ makes a ruling on whether to agree to an interim injunction against Israel’s war in Gaza pending decision in Africa’s genocide claim (which will take months) and rule for an immediate ceasefire. Even Israel admits with the number of civilian casualties, defending against the ruling would be difficult and has all but said it will simply ignore it.

The court will issue its ruling at 1pm (12pm UK time) in a hearing expected to last about an hour.

Israel braces for interim ICJ ruling on allegation of genocide in Gaza

Behind bullish statements officials have been examining potential scenarios for impending decision in case brought by South Africa

www.theguardian.com

I chuckle at the hypocrisy of SA seemingly setting itself up as an international paragon of virtue..... this, the ANC, a government of thieving gangsters who have, and still are, presiding over circa 100 murders a day amongst its own population, ... sex crimes almost at numbers where the authorities can't track it..... with only 14% of these crimes ever solved.... incompetence and indifference to the loss of human life.... now bringing a populist case against Israel..... laughable.

 

[A1X]

Well good to see Israel is taking today’s ICJ ruling well…

 

[aolstudios]

I chuckle at the hypocrisy of SA seemingly setting itself up as an international paragon of virtue..... this, the ANC, a government of thieving gangsters who have, and still are, presiding over circa 100 murders a day amongst its own population, ... sex crimes almost at numbers where the authorities can't track it..... with only 14% of these crimes ever solved.... incompetence and indifference to the loss of human life.... now bringing a populist case against Israel..... laughable.

Well, exactly. ANC leadership formally met with those of Hamas recently & Iranian funding is also involved.
Quelle surprise

 

[heathgate]

Well, exactly. ANC leadership formally met with those of Hamas recently & Iranian funding is also involved.
Quelle surprise

The ANC is also wholly in the pocket of both Putin and the Chinese,.... militarily and economically..... both those nations love to stir the pot when it comes to Israel and the broader middle east turmoil.

 

[Hastings gull]

The ANC is also wholly in the pocket of both Putin and the Chinese,.... militarily and economically..... both those nations love to stir the pot when it comes to Israel and the broader middle east turmoil.

Yes, the breath-taking hypocrisy of it all is staggering.

 

[aolstudios]

Yes, the breath-taking hypocrisy of it all is staggering.

But enthusiastically swallowed by many. Including on here

 

[A1X]

 

[heathgate]

But they never said that,.... they said that either Hamas lays down it's arms a agrees a peace where Israel is recognised and allowed to coexist, or Hamas will be destroyed..... Israel has the wider picture of actual survival to consider, not simply the lives of a group of captives.

 

[jcdenton08]

I wonder if, knowing how brutal Israel’s response would be, whether Hamas would do the same thing again with the attacks and hostage taking knowing this would be the outcome.

I’m not making a point either way, just got me wondering. Hamas will have expected retaliation, but this? Essentially genocide? I doubt it entered their wildest dreams.

Probably best if they’d stayed home that day in hindsight.

 

[Zeberdi]

SA’s application to the ICJ maybe argued as ‘hypocrisy’ by some but it doesn’t change the fact that the UN and ICJ remain very concerned about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There is hypocrisy on all sides in this conflict, especially being expressed at UN Security Council level - there are extreme ideologies and Pontius Piolates on every side who are turning a blind eye to some of the worst treatment of civilians in any conflict in recent memory; Netanyahu’s government continuing to refuse to recognise the rights of Palestinians to self determination and tearing up the Nuclear Deal with Iran while themselves blaming Hamas for not wanting to negotiate a peace settlement; not least Western democracies condemnation (rightly) of Russia’s war crimes in Ukraine while complicit in, or slow to condemn Israel’s war crimes of collective punishment and tactical starvation against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank; The Gulf States’s refusal to condemn Hamas’s attack on Israel as a war crime and Russia’s constant earlier vetoing of ceasefire resolutions at the UN because they didn’t rule out a ground assault by Israel, claiming that ‘thousands of Palestinian children will continue to die ; It’s all hypocrisy.

However, International law is clear: The ‘commission of a war crime to one party in a conflict does not justify the commission of war crimes by the other in response.

https://odi.org/en/insights/humanitarian-hypocrisy-double-standards-and-the-law-in-gaza/#:~:text=Legal%20experts%20are%20clear%20that,allow%20humanitarian%20relief%20into%20Gaza.

 

[Zeberdi]

US retaliation over drone attack could lead to 'uncontrolled escalation' in Middle East crisis

Any direct attack on Iran could trigger retaliatory Iranian missile strikes against US targets in the region or against American allies such as Israel.

news.sky.com

Labour MP suspended after ‘hollow’ apology for genocide remarks on HMD

Edmonton MP Kate Osamor has had the whip withdrawn by her party after suggesting Gaza should be added to list of genocides

www.thejc.com

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

US retaliation over drone attack could lead to 'uncontrolled escalation' in Middle East crisis

Any direct attack on Iran could trigger retaliatory Iranian missile strikes against US targets in the region or against American allies such as Israel.

news.sky.com

Labour MP suspended after ‘hollow’ apology for genocide remarks on HMD

Edmonton MP Kate Osamor has had the whip withdrawn by her party after suggesting Gaza should be added to list of genocides

www.thejc.com

Indeed.

Of one think I'm certain. Taking sides now is fifth form debating society wankpuffinry at best, and simply encourages the other 'side' at worst.

Good to see Labour suspending an MP for vainglorious gobbing off (presumably to appeal to her perceived 'core' vote - and endangering her chance of re-election in the process, if Labour ever let her stand again)..

 

[Zeberdi]

Good to see Labour suspending an MP for vainglorious gobbing off (presumably to appeal to her perceived 'core' vote - and endangering her chance of re-election in the process, if Labour ever let her stand again)..

Couldn’t agree more.

Disgraceful and deeply offensive behaviour - if any of her core vote are members of the Party and think using Holocaust Remembrance Day as an opportunity to criticise Israel is acceptable, they too need to be suspended. The amount of ignorance of Jewish culture and misappropriation of Jewish Holocaust memory that has been used as a political football especially by non-Jews since the war broke out is unbelievable - I’m glad Labour has taken a strong stand on this.

 

[nicko31]

Couldn’t agree more.

Disgraceful and deeply offensive behaviour - if any of her core vote are members of the Party and think using Holocaust Remembrance Day as an opportunity to criticise Israel is acceptable, they too need to be suspended. The amount of ignorance of Jewish culture and misappropriation of Jewish Holocaust memory that has been used as a political football especially by non-Jews since the war broke out is unbelievable - I’m glad Labour has taken a strong stand on this.

She's close to Corbyn, Starmer won't be taking any risks.

 

[aolstudios]

She's close to Corbyn, Starmer won't be taking any risks.

Good

 

[nicko31]

In 1998, however, a new statute of international law criminalized the use of civilian starvation as a military tactic.

Last Friday the ICJ ordered Israel to allow more supplies to enter Gaza immediately. Looks like they will ignore this, so with no access to the most basic foodstuffs, potable water, electricity and essential medicines famine seems inevitable

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/29/briefing/gaza-food-crisis.html