[News] Middle East conflict

[sydney]

the Axis of evil ..?? he's backed by the axis of evil ffs....!!

 

[nicko31]

Basically Israel loves International law but only when they get the result they want.

 

[Zeberdi]

Netanyahu says Israel will be from the ‘River to the Sea’ - all land South/West of the River Jordan will be under Israel control after the war. There will be no Palestinian State.

“Benjamin Netanyahu has sought to obstruct the establishment of a Palestinian state throughout his political career, despite occasional lukewarm endorsements of the idea. His public statement on Thursday, however, represented his sharpest rebuttal of US foreign policy at a time when the Biden administration has expended huge domestic political capital to support Israel militarily and in international forums.”

Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war

PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security control

www.theguardian.com

 

[A1X]

I wonder if it’s deemed as offensive when said by the Israelis as apparently it is when said by those who are pro-Palestine? Bet it’s not in the eyes of the media.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Netanyahu says Israel will be from the ‘River to the Sea’ - all land South/West of the River Jordan will be under Israel control after the war. There will be no Palestinian State.

“Benjamin Netanyahu has sought to obstruct the establishment of a Palestinian state throughout his political career, despite occasional lukewarm endorsements of the idea. His public statement on Thursday, however, represented his sharpest rebuttal of US foreign policy at a time when the Biden administration has expended huge domestic political capital to support Israel militarily and in international forums.”

Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war

PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security control

www.theguardian.com

Time for the US to drop their support.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Netanyahu says Israel will be from the ‘River to the Sea’ - all land South/West of the River Jordan will be under Israel control after the war. There will be no Palestinian State.

“Benjamin Netanyahu has sought to obstruct the establishment of a Palestinian state throughout his political career, despite occasional lukewarm endorsements of the idea. His public statement on Thursday, however, represented his sharpest rebuttal of US foreign policy at a time when the Biden administration has expended huge domestic political capital to support Israel militarily and in international forums.”

Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war

PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security control

www.theguardian.com

Clearly genocidal language, apparently

 

[thejackal]

Clearly genocidal language, apparently

This is very obviously the main barrier to peace.

Right-wing nutters, with no intention of ever letting the Palestinians achieve statehood, have been in charge in Israel ever since Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated (by a Netanyahu-supporting, right-wing Jewish nutter) in 1995.

Leah Rabin, Yitzhak's widow, went to her grave blaming Netanyahu personally for her husband's death, and you can see why. Netanyahu called for Rabin's death many times and even led a demonstration against him where he walked in front of a mock cortege, complete with hearse. All this while Rabin was still alive.

Netanyahu is a danger to world peace - he has been for literally decades.

He is a dangerous, evil man, in my opinion.

 

[Hotchilidog]

This is very obviously the main barrier to peace.

Right-wing nutters, with no intention of ever letting the Palestinians achieve statehood, have been in charge in Israel ever since Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated (by a Netanyahu-supporting, right-wing Jewish nutter) in 1995.

Leah Rabin, Yitzhak's wife, went to her grave blaming Netanyahu for his death, and you can see why. Netanyahu called for Rabin's death many times and even led a demonstration against him where he walked in front of a mock cortege, complete with hearse. All this while Rabin was still alive.

Netanyahu is a danger to world peace - he has been for literally decades.

He is a dangerous, evil man, in my opinion.

I agree.

 

[thejackal]

In case anyone is interested in Rabin's assassination, and Nuthead-yahoo's role in it.

Yitzhak Rabin: ‘He never knew it was one of his people who shot him in the back’

Twenty-five years after the death of the Israeli prime minister, those who were there recall the night two bullets altered the destiny of two nations

www.theguardian.com

The road to Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination began in Oslo. It was there that two teams of negotiators, Palestinian and Israeli, met in secret, gradually forging the Oslo accords, sealed in September 1993 by a handshake on the White House lawn between Rabin and the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. Rabin delivered the ceremony’s most memorable line: “We say to you today in a loud and a clear voice: enough of blood and tears. Enough.”

The then leader of the opposition, Benjamin Netanyahu, was the star speaker at two now infamous demonstrations, where the crowd’s slogans included “Death to Rabin”. In July 1995, Netanyahu walked at the head of a mock funeral procession featuring a fake black coffin.

Israel’s head of internal security asked Netanyahu to dial down the rhetoric, warning that the prime minister’s life was in danger. Netanyahu declined. Perhaps he, like Rabin, didn’t imagine an Israeli Jew would ever kill one of their own; any threat surely came from elsewhere.

 

[thejackal]

I obviously agree with your assessment as do many now I think

As I posted back in October

[News] - Middle East conflict

Ultra-Zionist settler-nutters attacking their Israeli Arab neighbours in the next village should have the full weight of the law applied against then in a civilised democracy. Oh hang on, that doesn't apply in that f*rked-up landscape. In fact the shooters will be more often than not aided and...

www.northstandchat.com

The question is, what next?

I wonder if those being gung ho about retaliation strikes on Yemen, understand the wider geopolitical realities of Iran‘s fight for influence in the ME (or Russia’s ) and how Saudi Arabia and Israel (backed by the US) are in the thick of trying to counter that influence, including in Yemen? Or that the strikes on Yemen are small part of the US’s bigger ‘War on Terror’ - certain elements of which, since 9/11 have been very much open to debate as to their legality but particularly their efficacy in destroying fundamentalist islamic ideology?

Without going into it again

[News] - Middle East conflict

What happened this month in Israel I do not condone in any way but after 7 decades of repression can we really be that surprised? When there is extreme poverty and no hope bad things happen. We see it all over the world, if it was in an African country few would be interested Arguably it’s the...

www.northstandchat.com

It looks to me like Israel is trying leading the West into a direct confrontation with Iran by conducting the war in Gaza in a way that can only be described as genocidal and with the expressed intention to further their expansionist policies in the region - while most spectators seem to be incognisant of the fact that Israel’s treatment of the Palestinian people have coalesced jihadist terror groups throughout the ME into a fighting force against the continued bombardment of Gaza in a way they have never been before due to partisan differences - they are not going to watch Gazans be subjected to the horrors they are enduring from the sidelines - skirmishes with groups in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq have made that clear. One fundamentalist terrorist group can no longer be annihilated without risking an escalatory response from other terrorist groups in the region.

The US and UK clearly are losing influence on Israel and I would say it is doubtful whether Iran or any other Country in the ME has complete control over the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah or any other terrorist group in the ME.

So short of there being a regime change in Israel that would recognise the fundamental rights of Palestinians to self-determination and a regime change in Iran that stops funding terror groups where does it go from here?

Fair questions. I don't think any of us have the answers!

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Fair questions. I don't think any of us have the answers!

And if we did we’d have precious little time for NSC!

 

[Insel affe]

Probably been posted before, but I can’t be bothered trawling through such a large thread.
This probably explains why Netanyahu is ignoring Americas request.

 

[Zeberdi]

Probably been posted before, but I can’t be bothered trawling through such a large thread.
This probably explains why Netanyahu is ignoring Americas request

Yes, the video has been up before but a long while back so thanks for posting it.

However, I’ll probably scare the bejeeesus out of you now … :

Israel has wanted the West to ‘deal’ with Iran for years (some might say understandably) but the US/EU/UK have exercised restraint and prudence, relying on negotiation and diplomatic efforts - until that is Trump, in cohorts with Netanyahu, tore up the Nuclear Deal with Iran ending the monitoring access to Iran’s nuclear programme creating a security crisis situation that may force the West’s hands to ‘do something about Iran’. Getting rid of Iran’ is a (reckless!) part of extremists’ narrative that has worked for Netanyahu politically by allowing him to position himself as the leader that would stand up to Iran’s nuclear threat - Israel ‘ignoring the US‘s requests’ as you point out, leaves one wondering if the belligerent child has finally decided to pursue its own path with reckless abandonment …primarily to protect his ailing political career?

“Iran is responsible for 90% of the problems in the Middle East. This regime threatens to destroy us. We will not wait for a sharp sword to be placed on our necks. The IDF and the Shin Bet and the Mossad will do whatever it takes (to prevent this).”

Benjamin Netanyahu 28th January 2023

“…There is an empire of evil emanating from Tehran, spending billions of dollars in arms and money and people's well-being to derail the entire stability of the world and the region. They've attacked the United States forces two nights ago, openly. They have proxies all over the region quietly lurking to undermine any peace process and any stability of the world. And that is exactly what we are seeing – and they have to be faced by a very strong coalition’”

President Herzog World Economic Forum, Davos, 2024

The US/UK must absolutely not green light Netanyahu that we would support a direct conflict with Iran.

Netanyahu is drawing the US into war with Iran

The Israeli prime minister’s persistent obsession with the Islamic Republic may drag the US into another war.

www.aljazeera.com

References only (no need to read but all back up the assertion!)

Rice meeting with Defense Minister Ehud Barak

www.jpost.com

Shadow warrior: Benjamin Netanyahu takes a dangerous gamble with Iran

Israel’s prime minister is creating a climate of fear and crisis as his best hope for holding on to power

www.theguardian.com

Israeli President Calls For Coalition Against Iran's 'Evil Empire'

Israeli president Isaac Herzog called on the international community on Thursday to create “a very strong coalition” against “an empire of evil emanating from Iran”.

www.iranintl.com

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-warns-iran-deal-still-possible-vows-to-revert-to-openly-opposing-it/

Netanyahu wants to stop Iran going nuclear - now he needs int'l support

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seeks international support for a credible military threat to stop Iran’s nuclear race.

www.jpost.com

 

[A1X]

 

[Zeberdi]

Updates of escalating conflict throughout ME -

BBC reports (in link below) on the trigger points which have become multi-directional and involve multiple protagonists: Civilian death toll from Gaza continues to rise as the IDF bomb hospitals, UN compounds and food queues. 2 hospitals in Southern Gaza’s largest city, Khan Younis, are reported as ‘encircled’ with displaced civilians, medical staff and patients trapped inside:

Gaza health ministry says 20 Palestinians killed in strike on food aid queue

An Israeli strike on Gaza City killed 20 Palestinians and wounded 150 who were queuing for food aid on Thursday, Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said, in what a Palestinian coalition called a "war crime." The Israeli military said it was looking into the report. The National and Islamic...

uk.news.yahoo.com

Israeli attacks on Gaza shelters a ‘pattern’, says UN

UNRWA says Israeli assurances of protecting civilians “not followed up”, as death toll from shelter attack rises to 13.

www.aljazeera.com

Understanding a week of missile strikes across Middle East

From the Red Sea to Gaza to Iran, the past week has deepened fears of conflict spreading.

www.bbc.co.uk

Note the presence of al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen which, along with the Taliban’s recent takeover of Afghanistan, are undergoing something of a global resurgence - The US/UK strikes on Houthis in Lebanon risk either creating a terrorist group power vacuum, at worse trigger al-Qaeda to coalesce support with other terrorist groups already fighting against Israel’s bombardment in Gaza.


US/Israel/UK strikes on Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas in the region is like Hercules cutting off the head of Hydra - cut it off and it just keep multiplying …

Yemen’s al-Qaeda: Expanding the Base | Crisis Group

Thriving on conflict, sectarianism, and local opportunism, al-Qaeda’s affiliates are stronger than ever in Yemen. To shrink their growing base will require better governance in vulnerable areas, not treating all Sunni Islamists as one enemy, and above all ending Yemen’s civil war.

www.crisisgroup.org

 

[heathgate]

Updates of escalating conflict throughout ME -

BBC reports (in link below) on the trigger points which have become multi-directional and involve multiple protagonists: Civilian death toll from Gaza continues to rise as the IDF bomb hospitals, UN compounds and food queues. 2 hospitals in Southern Gaza’s largest city, Khan Younis, are reported as ‘encircled’ with displaced civilians, medical staff and patients trapped inside:

Gaza health ministry says 20 Palestinians killed in strike on food aid queue

An Israeli strike on Gaza City killed 20 Palestinians and wounded 150 who were queuing for food aid on Thursday, Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said, in what a Palestinian coalition called a "war crime." The Israeli military said it was looking into the report. The National and Islamic...

uk.news.yahoo.com

Israeli attacks on Gaza shelters a ‘pattern’, says UN

UNRWA says Israeli assurances of protecting civilians “not followed up”, as death toll from shelter attack rises to 13.

www.aljazeera.com

Understanding a week of missile strikes across Middle East

From the Red Sea to Gaza to Iran, the past week has deepened fears of conflict spreading.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Note the presence of al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen which, along with the Taliban’s recent takeover of Afghanistan, are undergoing something of a global resurgence - The US/UK strikes on Houthis in Lebanon will either create a terrorist group power vacuum, at worse trigger al-Qaeda to coalesce support with other terrorist groups already fighting against Israel’s bombardment in Gaza.


US/Israel/UK strikes on Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas in the region is like Hercules cutting off the head of Hydra - cut it off and it just keep multiplying …

Yemen’s al-Qaeda: Expanding the Base | Crisis Group

Thriving on conflict, sectarianism, and local opportunism, al-Qaeda’s affiliates are stronger than ever in Yemen. To shrink their growing base will require better governance in vulnerable areas, not treating all Sunni Islamists as one enemy, and above all ending Yemen’s civil war.

www.crisisgroup.org

Looking at this sequence, in particular the regional map with event graphics, it's telling that the trigger event is absent.... ie the savage slaughter and rancid social media frenzy of circa 1300 Israelis.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

4,000 posts, assuming an average of 3 minutes to make each post, is equivalent to one person working full time for five weeks. Imagine what could have been achieved in that time. You could get pretty far learning a language, or maybe read 10 books. Or even volunteer for a charity shop full time for 5 weeks. But no, let's keep shouting into a black hole hoping other people will somehow suddenly decide to completely change their mind and agree with your point of view.

Crack on lads.

 

[Zeberdi]

4,000 posts, assuming an average of 3 minutes to make each post, is equivalent to one person working full time for five weeks. Imagine what could have been achieved in that time. You could get pretty far learning a language, or maybe read 10 books. Or even volunteer for a charity shop full time for 5 weeks. But no, let's keep shouting into a black hole hoping other people will somehow suddenly decide to completely change their mind and agree with your point of view.

Crack on lads.

Perhaps you should take that view to the Ukraine, Trump, Starmar and Brexit threads too?

The first post in 6 days to the thread - literally 8 lines of text - followed immediately by two trolling posts and given a thumbs up by another regular troll on this thread.

This isn’t a football match between 2 sides so - Stop trolling this thread please. Some of us have family and friends directly involved.

Edit - interesting post on Reddit

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Perhaps you should take that view to the Ukraine and Brexit threads too?

This isn’t a football match between 2 sides so - Stop trolling this thread please.

Of course I take that view with most the threads on here, and even the idiots arguing on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. Just popping in this thread and seeing the huge huge posts you've spent a long time creating really drilled home the utterly pointless waste of time it all.

Also, it's not trolling. Pointing out it's a waste of time isn't really trolling is it.

 

[knocky1]

Of course I take that view with most the threads on here, and even the idiots arguing on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. Just popping in this thread and seeing the huge huge posts you've spent a long time creating really drilled home the utterly pointless waste of time it all.

Also, it's not trolling. Pointing out it's a waste of time isn't really trolling is it.

Inshallah.