[Travel] Mick lynch

[Pavilionaire]

Where are you getting your figures from?
10 million that actively despise unions?

We're lucky to get 70% turn out in an election.
If 10 million of them actively despised Unions, you would think that it would be the biggest Policy debate in every election.
It rarely is.

15 million voted Tory / DUP/ Brexit Party at the last GE, all right wing parties that never have a good word to say about unions, and you're not going to get many Tory voters defending strike action now. Unions have a bad rep because of what happened in the 70s and 80s - it's never been repaired.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Voting to reject : 64%

Voting to accept : 36%

 

[Uh_huh_him]

15 million voted Tory / DUP/ Brexit Party at the last GE, all right wing parties that never have a good word to say about unions, and you're not going to get many Tory voters defending strike action now. Unions have a bad rep because of what happened in the 70s and 80s - it's never been repaired.

Voting Right wing/Centre right, doesn't automatically make you someone who despises unions.

Most voters really don't care passionately about any individual policies, they just vote on a tribal basis.
There are plenty of people who have been conditioned to think Unions are a negative thing, but very few could really tell you why.

 

[Lenny Rider]

I predominantly vote Tory, because of my local candidate, who I think is a good constituency MP, but on the flip side in the main I’m in support of the majority of the strikes.

For a working man or woman to be prepared to withdraw their Labour and lose money and depriving their families of the said funds, things must have reached the point of desperation.

No doubt I will be corrected on NSC, but is that right that since the postal strike has started Royal Mail have paid out over £500 million in dividends?

 

[El Presidente]

I predominantly vote Tory, because of my local candidate, who I think is a good constituency MP, but on the flip side in the main I’m in support of the majority of the strikes.

For a working man or woman to be prepared to withdraw their Labour and lose money and depriving their families of the said funds, things must have reached the point of desperation.

No doubt I will be corrected on NSC, but is that right that since the postal strike has started Royal Mail have paid out over £500 million in dividends?

Not since the strike has started, but the most recent share buyback and dividends paid £567 million to shareholders.

 

[attila]

RAIL STRIKES EXPLAINED
A public information post: since you won’t see this in our wonderful ‘free press’, please share with anyone blaming the RMT.

The Rail Delivery Group, representing the train franchising companies with whom the RMT are theoretically negotiating, have absolutely no material stake whatsoever in the outcome of this dispute and are simply puppets of the Tory Government.

They have ‘passenger operating contracts’ which guarantee their income. They don’t have to absorb the cost of rising pay or lose money due to strikes.
The Tories pay them regardless of the chaos on the network and impact on passengers. The government have a veto on all important decision making.

There is no incentive to improve the service and little punishment when things go wrong.

And so, if the Tories want to engineer a strike, cause chaos on the network and use their house newspapers to weaponise it for their party political ends, the train operating companies aren’t worried because they are still being paid - by taxpayers of course.

This abject political skulduggery is coupled with an incoming voter ID scheme which enfranchises the old and disenfranchises the young, a FPTP electoral system which gives the Tories an inbuilt advantage and a majority of my benighted generation in servile thrall to a non-dom billionaire press.

If there is one thing which we on the radical Left and the Tories have in common right now it is a heartfelt desire to see the Labour front bench issue a clear communique unconditionally supporting all strikers.

If it happens, the Mail, Express and Sun will monster Labour under Starmer as they did under Corbyn - and at the next election my generation will once more vote Tory in their millions having shown a bus pass while our grandchildren are turned away at the polling booths having shown a student ID.

The fact that Labour have to take this ridiculous electoral and press imbalance into consideration when formulating policy to win an election means that the U.K. is no longer a functional democracy but a dysfunctional gerontocracy.

 

[Randy McNob]

I predominantly vote Tory, because of my local candidate, who I think is a good constituency MP, but on the flip side in the main I’m in support of the majority of the strikes.

For a working man or woman to be prepared to withdraw their Labour and lose money and depriving their families of the said funds, things must have reached the point of desperation.

No doubt I will be corrected on NSC, but is that right that since the postal strike has started Royal Mail have paid out over £500 million in dividends?

The problem is good honest Tory voters voting for their local decent conservative MPs are validating the loony far right sect who currently have their hands on the steering wheel. Unless your MP says he and most of the other backbenchers rise up and sweep them aside and reclaim the party, moving back to the centre right as it was pre June 2016, you shouldn't vote for him. Otherwise you won't be voting conservative but a UKIP tribute act

 

[Wardy's twin]

The problem is good honest Tory voters voting for their local decent conservative MPs are validating the loony far right sect who currently have their hands on the steering wheel. Unless your MP says he and most of the other backbenchers rise up and sweep them aside and reclaim the party, moving back to the centre right as it was pre June 2016, you shouldn't vote for him. Otherwise you won't be voting conservative but a UKIP tribute act

Utimately it's what happens at the central level that has most influence on a person's life, voting for a good local candidate is IMO ok at council level but every vote for a Tory has a potential for a Tory MP to win and therefore a Tory government. The party has lost most (all) of its 'right of centre' MPs and they just vote with whatever the government want.

 

[Wardy's twin]

What are “ordinary working people” for goodness sake? In my view anyone that goes out to work to earn a crust is a working person. Can we have less of this class distinctive pre-1970s label - it’s a redundant description that went out with whippets, cloth caps and tin baths.

Spot on and the sooner the left realises that a left of centre government is better than the current shambles the sooner the lives of the less well off will be improved. This country will not vote for a left wing government who will share wealth equally, why because the well off are in the majority now, not rich but certainly not poor and they will be scared what they have will be taken off them.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Spot on and the sooner the left realises that a left of centre government is better than the current shambles the sooner the lives of the less well off will be improved. This country will not vote for a left wing government who will share wealth equally, why because the well off are in the majority now, not rich but certainly not poor and they will be scared what they have will be taken off them.

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

 

[Wardy's twin]

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

No I am suggesting that your position is probably the majority situation and people like you and me are happy to help but there are limits and that's why a left wing government will never get elected and so the best thing for the poor will be to have a centre left labour party. They might be champagne socialist but that's better than a champagne Tory government or indeed the ERG led Tories.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

I = 5 mentions
We/us = 0 mentions.

That says it all about your politics.

 

[rogersix]

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

how about in the name of patriotism?

 

[Randy McNob]

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

no you just have to believe that it's possible for everyone to enjoy a decent standard of living, especially key workers.

There's plenty of wealth to go round for everyone to have a better standard of living, and that would make a better country for everyone

I take it you're cool with 400% energy price increases with energy companies becoming stinking rich from it? That aint communism, that's you getting mugged off

 

[Doonhamer7]

The original moniker still holds true, Champagne Socialists

I was called one last week, took it as a badge of honour which flummoxed the person using it as an insult.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I = 5 mentions
We/us = 0 mentions.

That says it all about your politics.

Get over yourself, I've attended more Socialist rallies than you've had lentil curries.

 

[rogersix]

Get over yourself, I've attended more Socialist rallies than you've had lentil curries.

and then you pulled the ladder up, did you ever understand socialism?

 

[Is it PotG?]

and then you pulled the ladder up, did you ever understand socialism?

Deeds to my house in the post to you, comrade.

 

[BadFish]

I'm sure I'm not alone on here but from very modest beginnings I have worked hard and accumulated a better life than I was born with.
Are you suggesting I might be happy to then lose a large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike?

'Lose and large part of it in the name of some type of communism or alike'

This post suggests you need to stop reading press propaganda and start reading political party manifestos and policies.

We have a labour government over here as we often do. And no one has come and taken my money off me. Services have improved though. We've even been promised a state utilities company to attempt to stop the private ones ripping us off and combat our rising cost of living.

 

[rogersix]

Deeds to my house in the post to you, comrade.

a simple "no", would suffice