Not deliberate? I couldn't disagree more, he thought he was a keeper
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Stumpy Tim
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It was definitely deliberate. He extended his arm out
Gabbafella
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Because refs are inconsistent and make it up as they go along.
And maybe Toney had a word about his bet builder not including any red cards.
scooter1
How soon is now?
All about differing opinions, but I thought the ref was poor today. The shithousing started as early as the 10th minute, and he seemed to let a lot of timewasting go. It felt a lot like Fulham all over again….
Machiavelli
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Well, again, I disagree with you and @Triggaaar and no doubt many other BHA fans that are certain they can objectively view these things. It hit him from centimetres away
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Should've addressed the time-wasting and didn't add enough time at the end, but he was decent on the whole.
The 'handball' just after the pen looked more like a pen than the actual pen from where I sat (in the South Stand to be fair).
The 'handball' just after the pen looked more like a pen than the actual pen from where I sat (in the South Stand to be fair).
hopper_182
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Struggling to understand why the handball was not a red card, big error from ref.
That aside not the worst referee performance we have had this season.
That aside not the worst referee performance we have had this season.
SENDING-OFF OFFENCES
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
- scores in the opponents' goal:
- directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
- immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
Whether it was deliberate or not is a moot point. If he has awarded a penalty for handball, then a handball offence has obviously occurred. If he is deemed to have stopped a goal, even if the handling is not 'deliberate', it is a red card offence. I've only seen it live, so I would have to assume Oliver felt the shot was going over and thus not denying a goal.
GoingUp
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Oliver was OK but the lino on the East Side was shocking.
Thunder Bolt
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He did nothing at all. He even got a throw in wrong.
Machiavelli
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Thanks. The rules are ridiculously complicated, but I suspect you're correct in your assessment. The footage of the incident is at about 2.20 of the highlights I posted.SENDING-OFF OFFENCESA player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:What is 'a handball offence':
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
HANDLING THE BALLFor the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.It is an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
- scores in the opponents' goal:
- directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
- immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
Whether it was deliberate or not is a moot point. If he has awarded a penalty for handball, then a handball offence has obviously occurred. If he is deemed to have stopped a goal, even if the handling is not 'deliberate', it is a red card offence. I've only seen it live, so I would have to assume Oliver felt the shot was going over and thus not denying a goal.
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The double jeopardy rule is indeed meant to protect a player who’s made a genuine attempt to make a tackle, Hickey just blatantly saves it with his arm, it was absolutely deliberate and should be a red IMO.
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A particular highlight was when he blew up for a Brentford offside whilst we were breaking in their half.
GoingUp
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I know he absolutely terrible, spent a lot time in wrong areas of the pitch, no conviction or communication to Oliver either from what I saw.
Flagging the throw in to them, then Oliver giving it to us is shocking.
It doesn't matter if it was centimetres, he was stretching his arms out. Just like a keeper who makes himself big when a shot is imminent.Well, again, I disagree with you and @Triggaaar and no doubt many other BHA fans that are certain they can objectively view these things. It hit him from centimetres away
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Oliver even had the advantage of being able to watch the incident on the monitor too, no idea why some are saying he had a good game, he didn’t
doogie004
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Poor performance from him today
Amateurish inconsistency perhaps?
He wouldn’t have been the only one to think it was going over, I was in mid rant about Undav’s finishing when I realised all our players were demanding a penalty!SENDING-OFF OFFENCESA player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:What is 'a handball offence':
- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
HANDLING THE BALLFor the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.It is an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
- scores in the opponents' goal:
- directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
- immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
Whether it was deliberate or not is a moot point. If he has awarded a penalty for handball, then a handball offence has obviously occurred. If he is deemed to have stopped a goal, even if the handling is not 'deliberate', it is a red card offence. I've only seen it live, so I would have to assume Oliver felt the shot was going over and thus not denying a goal.