And why does that annoy you?
I agree with US on this one too. Whether it was 2 children or an old man is irrelevant, it was just a tragic accident.
McCormick didn't even apologise to that family member on the news just now...
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And why does that annoy you?
I agree with US on this one too. Whether it was 2 children or an old man is irrelevant, it was just a tragic accident.
Amsterdam Albion
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Although I have not driven a car for over 10 years I have cycled my bike totally drunk and if in that state I caused the death of a innocent child I would be mortified. Any punishment would not really help the parents and would not take away my feeling of guilt. I think I'll start walking to the pub.
Elder for England
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It was a tragic accident caused by him. He gets drunk, doesn't get into car - no accident.
I'd agree with you if it was just a tragic accident but the truth is, it was one that could of been avoided had he not been so stupid thinking he was above the law and somehow able to drive well. Not only did he get in the car, but after several pleas from friends to pull over at the next services, he carried on knowing the risks.
Billy Mays
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Don't want to sound too pious here but I think the fact that he was a professional footballer , and therefore unlikely to be short of a few quid , makes this worse. Thought the same of Carlton Cole the other week - albeit he didn't kill anyone. There is no excuse for him not employing a driver for the night , getting a hotel room or finding some other way of not driving home. Seven years seems very light for the death of 2 children. I'm not advocating public execution or suggesting that he's on a par with child molesters but think the sentence should have been longer. Serving 10 years would have been more appropriate but I'm sure as far as the family are concerned this would have seemed lenient also.
Very sad case and yes I do feel a little sympathy for McCormick also.
Very sad case and yes I do feel a little sympathy for McCormick also.
Stumpy Tim
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There's no winner in this story. We could argue about the prison sentence all day long, but everyone involved now has a life sentence over them in one way or another.
Maybe drink driving should be treated much harsher... instant prison sentence for example. This guy just got unlucky in that he caused an accident. Any drunk driver could have done the same thing
Maybe drink driving should be treated much harsher... instant prison sentence for example. This guy just got unlucky in that he caused an accident. Any drunk driver could have done the same thing
hitony
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I hope he is treated like a nonce in prison and we all know what happens to them!!!![/QUOTE]
The words and thoughts of a possible future magistrate, quite scary really.
The words and thoughts of a possible future magistrate, quite scary really.
Happy Seagull
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All i can say is it's a shame HBB wasn't in the car too.....
Cheeky Monkey
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I wouldn't think of comparing his loss to the loss of the family in any way, but for him it is more of a disaster that he was a professional footballer - when he's released in 3.5 years he won't be driving a range rover (or whatever he was driving) anymore and that whole lifestyle will be gone forever, along with his career and probably the girlfriend he walked into court with. It's not like he had some anonymous job out of the public eye and he's now got to sit in his cell contemplating not just what he's done to that family, but what he's done to himself. How many people get the chance to be a professional footballer, let alone represent England at Under 21 level?
pasty
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Tragic, yes. Accident, no.
Totally agree. Anyone that causes a death by drink driving should be charged with manslaughter.
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Deleted User X18H
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nice !!!!
What if he'd hit a car full of assylum seekers, Timmy, rather than innocent kids. Would that have been better?
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there is no appropriate situation for a drunken man to kill another human being!!!
Do you mean asylum? Try Spell Check!!!
eastlondonseagull
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We did a thread on this a while back and if I remember rightly, the majority admitted having done so.
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Uncle Spielberg
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So are you telling me a man who goes to someones house and stabs to death 2 kids for bloodlust and does not give a shit infact is pleased is the same as a man who unwisely drives his car after a binge and crashes his car which by a random chance has 2 kids in it whereby his life and promising career is ruined and he has shown great remorse and they get the same sentance as far as you are concerned.
Well god help the local justice system.
Well god help the local justice system.
Elder for England
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Perhaps he shouldn't get the same sentence, as obviously the first is worse, however this does not take anything away fromt he fact he knew he had been drinking and decided to get in anyway - to some degree this is intent, and he should get a heavy prison sentence. As I said in my earlier post it was something that could of been avoided, and not only did he get, he ignored please from friends to pull over outline the risks and he chose to ignore this.
Uncle Spielberg
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He was stupid. He did not go straight from a prty he had stayed at a hotel first but got up too early to get home. I remember a works conference I went to 10 years ago and one guy had not slept for 48 hours, drank huge amounts and took charlie and drove home at speed so it does happen , probably quite a lot.
Elder for England
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Yes of course it does, but that doesn't make it right because it might be 'the norm'. These people should get a couple of years in prison in my opinion.
This must be the worst thread I have ever read through as the most worrying thing for me is the fact for the first time on this forum I find myself agreeing with Uncle Spielberg, a frightening thought. However, not as frightening as the thought of Tim becoming a magistrate, if it is true. Tim, you have worked in the City for numerous years and, as with 99% of people in the City probably occassionally have taken advantage of the hospitality of the odd underwriter here and there, possibly an afternoon and evening session on a Friday. Long lunch with wine then transferring to a bar somewhere and catching the last train back to Brighton. Are you telling me you know for sure that you have not driven a car the next morning without knowing that enough alcohol has left your system and, just as importantly, you are not tired?
Nobody is condoning what McCormick has done and by all accounts, he was seen as a decent bloke before this. However, the best thing is to judge him on what he does when he gets out. Nothing will bring back those two boys but maybe he will return to professional football and if he does, maybe he will use that status to support charities in the names of the boys. I suspect he will not forget for the rest of his life what he has done. Compare him to someone like Lee Hughes who actually ran away from the scene of a fatal accident.
Nobody is condoning what McCormick has done and by all accounts, he was seen as a decent bloke before this. However, the best thing is to judge him on what he does when he gets out. Nothing will bring back those two boys but maybe he will return to professional football and if he does, maybe he will use that status to support charities in the names of the boys. I suspect he will not forget for the rest of his life what he has done. Compare him to someone like Lee Hughes who actually ran away from the scene of a fatal accident.
