[Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

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Labour have won four West Sussex County Council seats in Worthing!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Apparently rampant government corruption and letting the “bodies pile high” wasn’t a deal breaker for some people

But that’s just your interpretation and it’s fine for you to think that way. Many of us don’t interpret the award of contracts in a hurry when the NHS wasn’t coping in the early stages of the pandemic as corruption. We think it was understandable disarray. The bodies comment was crass but no more. Not great but a long way from your view. We could debate this for the rest of time or you could just accept that people have different opinions and that doesn’t make them stupid. Just accept that you and other Labour Party types are not definitive possessors of the truth. If Labour gets that message and actually listens to the electorate it will have a chance. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be in the DNA. We are just stupid and gullible and don’t know what’s best for us because we disagree. Plus ca change.

 

[Weststander]

Labour have won four West Sussex County Council seats in Worthing!

That was predicted on BBC new yesterday. Worthing’s demographic has changed, many younger folk who can’t afford a home in Brighton and Hove have moved there in recent times. Or, a flat in Brighton buys a house with a garden in Worthing. We know three separate Brightonians who’ve done exactly that.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Quite. Being in the minority when the majority are collectively falling for a lie, is no bad thing. As I said to them in another thread, be careful of the gloating*, this is politics, nothing lasts forever.




*especially when they have no real understanding of what they are gloating over.

Yes, nothing last forever in politics but that only applies to the Tory Party. If they lose an election they work out the reason and address it. Labour have your attitude ie it’s the electorate that’s wrong, they are being lied to and are too stupid to understand. The outcome ? Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose’.
I wonder who actually is the stupid one ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Cameron’s great lie was that the Labour Party’s borrowing was at the route of the 2008 crash. So many people bought into that. Whilst Brown should have legislated against banks, Osbourne was on the other side screaming for deregulation as UK banks invested heavily in the US sub-prime mortgage market. The Tories made the electorate believe it was spending on rebuilding schools & hospitals that had done for the country, almost all economic academics agree that their austerity policy was an abject failure but the electorate seems happy that Johnson has switched to Labour spending policies having ridiculed them at the last election.

And that brings me on to Boris. Himself & Farage have convinced working people, much like Napoleon on animal farm, that the pigs at the top, the ones skimming off the cream and sorting their mates out, are on their side. The enemy of working people is the EU, it’s BLM, it’s identity politics where minorities such a Trans people seek recognition and respect, it’s the intellectual classes who think they are smarter than the rest, it’s the media with their PC nonsense. Drunk on nationalism, Boris has the Country right where he wants it.

He is the appeasement of ignorance and fear, the solution to those who look back with rose tinted glasses at the past, those who fear globalisation, those who fear educated people, those who blame the liberal middle class for the Country’s woes.

You have to admire the skill of this opportunist pig of a man, as his slops about in his sty ranting of ignoring ‘bodies piled high’ so his old man can get down the pub or over to his holiday home. You have to wonder how on earth he can be stopped now, this pig-in-shit can do no wrong for the majority of voters in this country at the moment; they don’t care about the lies because they know he is a liar.

WTF have 'trans people' got to do with it LMFAO
Regards
DF

 

[The Clamp]

Cameron’s great lie was that the Labour Party’s borrowing was at the route of the 2008 crash. So many people bought into that. Whilst Brown should have legislated against banks, Osbourne was on the other side screaming for deregulation as UK banks invested heavily in the US sub-prime mortgage market. The Tories made the electorate believe it was spending on rebuilding schools & hospitals that had done for the country, almost all economic academics agree that their austerity policy was an abject failure but the electorate seems happy that Johnson has switched to Labour spending policies having ridiculed them at the last election.

And that brings me on to Boris. Himself & Farage have convinced working people, much like Napoleon on animal farm, that the pigs at the top, the ones skimming off the cream and sorting their mates out, are on their side. The enemy of working people is the EU, it’s BLM, it’s identity politics where minorities such a Trans people seek recognition and respect, it’s the intellectual classes who think they are smarter than the rest, it’s the media with their PC nonsense. Drunk on nationalism, Boris has the Country right where he wants it.

He is the appeasement of ignorance and fear, the solution to those who look back with rose tinted glasses at the past, those who fear globalisation, those who fear educated people, those who blame the liberal middle class for the Country’s woes.

You have to admire the skill of this opportunist pig of a man, as his slops about in his sty ranting of ignoring ‘bodies piled high’ so his old man can get down the pub or over to his holiday home. You have to wonder how on earth he can be stopped now, this pig-in-shit can do no wrong for the majority of voters in this country at the moment; they don’t care about the lies because they know he is a liar.

Absolutely spot on. Spot on. I have little to add, only to say that these people can be brought down very quickly. Things change rapidly. Having said that, I can’t recall the last time one party did so much damage to the U.K. in such a short period of time.
In ten years they have absolutely trashed our economy, our reputation and our power. And it looks like the Union is going to break up in the next couple of years. It’s very sad.

 

[Hugo Rune]

WTF have 'trans people' got to do with it LMFAO
Regards
DF

Just a reference to yer fellow right wing man Cunny Fergie who referenced Trans toleration as an issue the electorate has with the Labour Party.

 

[The Clamp]

Yes, nothing last forever in politics but that only applies to the Tory Party. If they lose an election they work out the reason and address it. Labour have your attitude ie it’s the electorate that’s wrong, they are being lied to and are too stupid to understand. The outcome ? Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose’.
I wonder who actually is the stupid one ?

I blame the Tory’s and their supporters first and foremost. The electorate has fallen for a lie. First Brexit and then supporting Johnson. I wish it wasn’t the case.
The fact that Labour are next to useless shouldn’t distract from the fact that the Tory party are rotten to the core.
That’s no one else’s fault but the Tory’s.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

But that’s just your interpretation and it’s fine for you to think that way. Many of us don’t interpret the award of contracts in a hurry when the NHS wasn’t coping in the early stages of the pandemic as corruption. We think it was understandable disarray. The bodies comment was crass but no more. Not great but a long way from your view. We could debate this for the rest of time or you could just accept that people have different opinions and that doesn’t make them stupid. Just accept that you and other Labour Party types are not definitive possessors of the truth. If Labour gets that message and actually listens to the electorate it will have a chance. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be in the DNA. We are just stupid and gullible and don’t know what’s best for us because we disagree. Plus ca change.

How is awarding companies with no prior experience of making PPE, ventilators and a worthless track and trace system (none of which was delivered), but conveniently have links to the party either through family or friends being investors or the companies being party donors, over companies who actually supply said products, and were willing to do so at cost, not corruption or, at the very least, cronyism?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Just a reference to yer fellow right wing man Cunny Fergie who referenced Trans toleration as an issue the electorate has with the Labour Party.

I would imagine a lot of folk around the country are fed up with Gender issues being rammed down their throats along with taking the knee , reap what you sow
Regards
DF

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I blame the Tory’s and their supporters first and foremost. The electorate has fallen for a lie. First Brexit and then supporting Johnson. I wish it wasn’t the case.
The fact that Labour are next to useless shouldn’t distract from the fact that the Tory party are rotten to the core.
That’s no one else’s fault but the Tory’s.

No, the electorate hasn’t fallen for a lie. You are a citizen in a modern, democratic country and have had all the benefits that come with that, one of which is an education. You have no excuses for your failure to understand the idea that people simply disagree with you.

 

[The Clamp]

How is awarding companies with no prior experience of making PPE, ventilators and a worthless track and trace system (none of which was delivered), but conveniently have links to the party either through family or friends being investors or the companies being party donors, over companies who actually supply said products, and were willing to do so at cost, not corruption or, at the very least, cronyism?

There are some people that will defend the Tory’s no matter what they do. It’s face saving. They get upset when we say they’ve fallen for a lie but honest to goodness, when Lowell come out with the kind of stuff that NB posts, it’s terribly difficult at the very least, not to question the electorate’s judgment.

I’m supposed to buy that the reason Johnson is getting away with being corrupt is because I think people bought a lie? It beggars belief.

 

[Chicken Run]

Yes, nothing last forever in politics but that only applies to the Tory Party. If they lose an election they work out the reason and address it. Labour have your attitude ie it’s the electorate that’s wrong, they are being lied to and are too stupid to understand. The outcome ? Lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose’.
I wonder who actually is the stupid one ?

To be fair the last time in reality he had anything political to celebrate was 2005, his previous user account wasn’t even a member on here then so he’s always been a anti government protester although I don’t recall Nibble being remotely interested in posting about politics.


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[The Clamp]

No, the electorate hasn’t fallen for a lie. You are a citizen in a modern, democratic country and have had all the benefits that come with that, one of which is an education. You have no excuses for your failure to understand the idea that people simply disagree with you.

The irony. People fell for a lie. Look at Brexit. Lie after lie. The people that voted for it need to accept they bought a lie and take some responsibility.

People need to accept some responsibility for voting for a corrupt government, whose handing out of “crony contracts” cost lives, wasted billions and made the chums of the Tory party very rich indeed.
People need to accept responsibility for voting for someone who is corrupt.
They either fell for the lie or they are so morally bankrupt, they simply don’t care.

Your argument gets thinner every time you regurgitate it.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

How is awarding companies with no prior experience of making PPE, ventilators and a worthless track and trace system (none of which was delivered), but conveniently have links to the party either through family or friends being investors or the companies being party donors, over companies who actually supply said products, and were willing to do so at cost, not corruption or, at the very least, cronyism?

You are rewriting history. The country was desperate when ministers were begging for ventilators. It was the scariest day of the pandemic. It will all be investigated but you have already made up your mind because it suits your politics. That’s the nuance that you and others on the left cannot understand. You see I’m not saying you are wrong but equally I am not rushing in with condemnation.

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

No, the electorate hasn’t fallen for a lie. You are a citizen in a modern, democratic country and have had all the benefits that come with that, one of which is an education. You have no excuses for your failure to understand the idea that people simply disagree with you.

Unless and until we know every elector's reason for voting as they have, it's impossible to say whether the electorate has fallen for a lie or not.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The irony. People fell for a lie. Look at Brexit. Lie after lie. The people that voted for it need to accept they bought a lie and take some responsibility.

People need to accept some responsibility for voting for a corrupt government, whose handing out of “crony contracts” cost lives, wasted billions and made the chums of the Tory party very rich indeed.
People need to accept responsibility for voting for someone who is corrupt.
They either fell for the lie or they are so morally bankrupt, they simply don’t care.

Your argument gets thinner every time you regurgitate it.

You sound like a 5 year stamping your feet. I’m just curious as to why you think you are some sort of intellectual titan. That would give you some foundation for your belief that you are right and everybody that disagrees is stupid and thick. Can you provide any evidence to back up your feeling of superiority ? I’m guessing not which is the reason I suggested that a decent education should have given you the capacity to process and respect different points of view.

 

[Weststander]

Absolutely spot on. Spot on. I have little to add, only to say that these people can be brought down very quickly. Things change rapidly. Having said that, I can’t recall the last time one party did so much damage to the U.K. in such a short period of time.
In ten years they have absolutely trashed our economy, our reputation and our power. And it looks like the Union is going to break up in the next couple of years. It’s very sad.

Pre pandemic, how exactly was the UK economy trashed?

Most people I know, from every political persuasion seem relatively happy in themselves, albeit with the usual ups and downs in life. WFH has been a dream come true for countless millions. My family, friends and business associates comprise a mix of Remainers, Brexiteers and the indifferent, also, in my neck of the woods we’re a Green Party stronghold. They’re not talking themselves into melancholy because politically at national level they haven’t got their wish just now. If I want to find bitterness and misery, NSC is the only place I can find it.

Genuinely, was the gloomy post made after a load of tiring shift work?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

You are rewriting history. The country was desperate when ministers were begging for ventilators. It was the scariest day of the pandemic. It will all be investigated but you have already made up your mind because it suits your politics. That’s the nuance that you and others on the left cannot understand. You see I’m not saying you are wrong but equally I am not rushing in with condemnation.

How am I re-writings history?

Did the Tories hand out contacts worth billions to companies with no prior experience of producing PPE, ventilators and a track and trace system? Yes.

Did those companies have ties to the party through said companies either being party donors or having family and friends as investors? Yes.

Did those companies deliver on said contracts? No.

Did the government choose to do business with those companies instead of companies who actually produce said products and were willing to sell them at cost? Yes.

So the next question is why? If it was genuinely because of the pandemic, surely you go with the companies that actually know what they are doing not just the ones that your mates have shares in or the ones that support you party financially. But apparently pointing this all out is “rushing” to conclusions”.

Occam’s razor my friend.

 

[The Clamp]

You sound like a 5 year stamping your feet. I’m just curious as to why you think you are some sort of intellectual titan that would give you some foundation for your belief that you are right and everybody that disagrees is stupid and thick. Can you provide any evidence to back up your feeling of superiority ? I’m guessing not which is the reason I suggested that a decent education should have given you the capacity to process and respect different points of view.

Yes, I had a good education. As many others on here did. Not wholly relevant.

I watched what has happened with Brexit and I’ve watched with interest how the current government has handled their position. The conclusion I have come to after ten plus years of Tory rule and five years of Brexit catastrophe is that the government is corrupt and the electorate fell for a lie.

It’s not really my concern that you don’t like my opinion but I trust my judgement and I stand by it. If you think that somehow constitutes “stamping my feet”, well, I’ll live with that.