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Thats quite a misery pill youve taken today Edna !
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Mauricio Taricco
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Thats quite a misery pill youve taken today Edna !
Vankleek Hill Seagull
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I agree 100% with Edna, but will no doubt, be leapt on for apparently waging a VENDETTA against OGH.
Harty's place in the squad:
At right back:
Calderon > Whing > El Ebd > Kishishev > Cook > Bridcutt > OGH.
In midfield:
Bennett > Lua lua > Dicker > Sparrow > (fit) Navarro > Kishishev > Bridcutt > Batti > Baz > Caskey > OGH
Up front:
Murray > Barnes > Sandaza > Baz > Agdestien > OGH
Harty's place in the squad:
At right back:
Calderon > Whing > El Ebd > Kishishev > Cook > Bridcutt > OGH.
In midfield:
Bennett > Lua lua > Dicker > Sparrow > (fit) Navarro > Kishishev > Bridcutt > Batti > Baz > Caskey > OGH
Up front:
Murray > Barnes > Sandaza > Baz > Agdestien > OGH
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I'm not quite sure how this has turned into a discussion of Hart's merit in the squad, but I think it's been pretty obvious since he was re-signed that it was likely to be as pretty much a non-playing member, to assist with the reserves and be called into the first team squad as a last resort. As hkfc points out, he is nowhere near the first team and as such it's really rather a moot point.
I'm certainly happy, as with everything else to do with the club, to trust Gus' judgement. If he wanted Hart to stay on for another year that is good enough for me.
I'm certainly happy, as with everything else to do with the club, to trust Gus' judgement. If he wanted Hart to stay on for another year that is good enough for me.
Silent Bob
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- Dec 6, 2004
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I'm not too sure Navarro would get a place on the wing ahead of Hart.
Gus obviously disagrees about him being behind Adgestein, at least this week, and if we only had two forwards fit Baz and Hart I'm pretty sure Baz wouldn't be up front on his own.
Poyet's kept him here for a reason, that reason isn't entirely footballing obviously, since he's barely played under him even last season, but he's still chosen to keep him here and chose to put him on the bench on Saturday, I don't see what the problem with that is. Besides, the last time he had a proper run in the side was under Slade and he was superb and a key player in keeping us up. If he played like that every week he'd be our second choice striker.
Perry Milkins
Just a quiet guy.
in the same vein
Getting the lunchtime sarnies
Oatway>Tony Godden>the fitness coach>Dean White>kid on YTS>OGH
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
He was near enough to be on the bench at Charlton which puts him in the top 18. As you say, I trust Gus' judgement. I doubt that he is sentimental about any player.
I'm not too sure Navarro would get a place on the wing ahead of Hart.
Which part of 'midfield' are you struggling with?
Gus obviously disagrees about him being behind Adgestein, at least this week, and if we only had two forwards fit Baz and Hart I'm pretty sure Baz wouldn't be up front on his own.
Nor would Hart. He hasn't played up front on his own in his decade at the club. In fact he hasn't played up front at all for about two years.
Poyet's kept him here for a reason, that reason isn't entirely footballing obviously, since he's barely played under him even last season, but he's still chosen to keep him here and chose to put him on the bench on Saturday, I don't see what the problem with that is.
Who said they had a 'problem' with it?
Besides, the last time he had a proper run in the side was under Slade and he was superb and a key player in keeping us up. If he played like that every week he'd be our second choice striker.
That was two years ago. IF is a very, very big word
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Twinkle Toes
Growing old disgracefully
I heard he's brought a new dimension to the half-time refreshment thang. No longer are the oranges quartered & handed out to the stripey troops: Tanno now squeezes every orange by hand (early doors) & serves the yummy joof to the group with ice 'n' a cheeky lil lemon twist.
Now THAT, my friends, is what you call flair.
Silent Bob
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I suppose the part of midfield I'm struggling with is the part where LuaLua, Hart, Dicker, Navarrro, and Kishishev are all competing for the same position. Of course, Hart is unlikely to get a game as aholding midfielder. He's unlikely to get a game in goal either, it would be no less ridiculous to include that to further artifically put him down your imaginary pecking order.
Hart ha splayed up front on his own. Obviously not for a long time, but the point is he's more of an out and out striker than Baz. Again it's an artificial comparison.
I know it was a year and a half ago, but before that he'd been out of the side for probably just as long and was similarly written off.
If you advoacate getting rid of someone, that does seem to suggest that you have a problem with them being here. Must be something else I'm struggling with.
I think the reason OGH is still with us, is quite simple.
We've had a massive rebuild and Gus really respects OGH as a pro.
With Charlie on the coaching staff Gus needed someone within the squad to be senior professional to help hold it all together.
A 'sling Knight off the bus' character, if you like.
We've had a massive rebuild and Gus really respects OGH as a pro.
With Charlie on the coaching staff Gus needed someone within the squad to be senior professional to help hold it all together.
A 'sling Knight off the bus' character, if you like.
I suppose the part of midfield I'm struggling with is the part where LuaLua, Hart, Dicker, Navarrro, and Kishishev are all competing for the same position. Of course, Hart is unlikely to get a game as aholding midfielder. He's unlikely to get a game in goal either, it would be no less ridiculous to include that to further artifically put him down your imaginary pecking order.
They are all included as they are all MIDFIELDERS. They really ARE competing for 4 [or 5] places. If there is no adequate right winger available, then Gus wouldn't play Hart there just because there's no-one else. He'd play a different [diamond] system, so a RW was not needed.
100% wrong. Gus himself has said that Baz in hammering on the door for a starting place. I quote "He's not even number 12. He's number 11.1"
If you advoacate getting rid of someone, that does seem to suggest that you have a problem with them being here. Must be something else I'm struggling with.
I don't have a problem with him being here at all. If Gus wants him here, that really is ALL that matters to me. Gus can literally do NO wrong in my eyes.
What I have a problem with is people, who rather than accepting it for what it is - that Gus thinks he is worth having about the place - try to justify his place in playing terms, and assume that anyone who disagrees has something PERSONAL against the bloke.
Perry Milkins
Just a quiet guy.
In other words he is being paid a salary to turn up for training, work hard and generallyl be a good egg amongst the squad?
I doubt he's being paid a megasalary and it seems to be working at the moment.
Not quite what I was saying, and it is just my feeling on it.
I think OGH and Charlie are two sides of the same coin.
Working with Gus and the first team squad.
Charlie takes Gus 'down' to the squad, whereas OGH takes the squad 'up' to Gus.
severnside gull
Well-known member
OGH clearly has a role to play and not only on the training ground or he wouldn't have been on the bench on Saturday. That said I would struggle to understand what his playing role is likely to be. He played at centre forward against Northampton and wouldn't have scored if he had still been out on the pitch now. Last season he was used to close down the other side from wide midfield when we were trying to hold on to a lead late on. My guess is that is about his mark now and would have been his function had we been one up with ten minutes to go at Charlton. As previously suggested his tackling can sometimes be a little lacking in finesse and I wouldn't want him playing too deep for sure!
Regarding Tarrico, I did wonder if Poyet left whether he would stay on as manager. Unfortunately given that he had to be persuaded (and was distinctly unsure) to be Assistant Manager, I'm sure he would move on with Gus. Besides if Clough and Taylor taught us anything it was that a great number 2 isn't always a good number 1
Regarding Tarrico, I did wonder if Poyet left whether he would stay on as manager. Unfortunately given that he had to be persuaded (and was distinctly unsure) to be Assistant Manager, I'm sure he would move on with Gus. Besides if Clough and Taylor taught us anything it was that a great number 2 isn't always a good number 1
Horton's halftime iceberg
Blooming Marvellous
OGH is playing as well in the reserves as he was prior to Slade putting him back in the first team.
I thought him and Owusu were fantastic in the run that kept us up the season before last.
I sat near Gus at Lancing and he had nothing but praise for Gary in his vocal barrages. I think Gus knows what he is doing, El-Abd at the back, dropping Lua Lua, tactical things I would not have done. Gus appears to like OGH as a person and player.
I think Gus sees OGH as a great backup and especially if used as a sub will do what he want tactically and can play in almost any position. I would not write him off just yet.
I thought him and Owusu were fantastic in the run that kept us up the season before last.
I sat near Gus at Lancing and he had nothing but praise for Gary in his vocal barrages. I think Gus knows what he is doing, El-Abd at the back, dropping Lua Lua, tactical things I would not have done. Gus appears to like OGH as a person and player.
I think Gus sees OGH as a great backup and especially if used as a sub will do what he want tactically and can play in almost any position. I would not write him off just yet.
turienzo's lovechild
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i don't really have a problem with hart still being with us......what i'm mostly confused by is why he'd WANT to?
he'll play, at most, about 5 games this year (at MOST), there must be a level where he'd be a regular starter? he's not even that old
it's his life obviously, so he can do what he wants with it, i'm just a bit confused by it
he'll play, at most, about 5 games this year (at MOST), there must be a level where he'd be a regular starter? he's not even that old
it's his life obviously, so he can do what he wants with it, i'm just a bit confused by it
I've said this a MILLION times. Roughly.
I'm pretty sure when Hart hangs up his boots, and looks back on his career, he'll feel some regret for spending 4 of his prime playing years, sitting on his arse, when he could have been playing / scoring goals / winning trophies, at a slightly lower level.
Hart had five or six good little cameos in games two seasons ago when we were at rock bottom and struggling to stay up. I'm still not absolutely sure that deserved a new contract on that basis, but I could understand why he got one, and didn't particularly begrudge it even if I thought hearts were ruling heads somewhere along the line. But this time round is just a bit of a joke.
The poor guy hasn't scored a goal in about six years, so can't be considered a striker. He has no pace these days so you can't use him as a winger, and his tackling has always ranged from "tenacious" to "liability" within the space of about three seconds, so he's not much use if you need to get the ball back and chase a game. He was never the same player after breaking his leg at Peterborough, and that was years ago.
Think about it. Say we're losing a match. You know Poyet's lining up a substitute. Is there a single position in the current first XI that you'd think "I know, let's take him off and replace him with Gary Hart" and honestly believe that would change the game for the better?
I realise that saying this is somewhere akin to having a much loved fluffy pet hamster put down in some people's eyes- even I feel a little bit mean saying it-, but hey, it's just the way it is IMHO
Hart is probably a) knowing he won't get a game save for a crisis however is b) the playing equivelent of Oatway, having one or two old boys in a team who gave a bit of grit at different levels from each other is good for keeping dicipline without it feeling like a "them and us" mentality, something that can destroy even the best set of coaches and their players relationship with them. He might also c) be training for his coaching badges and looking to go in to an Oatway style coaching gig with the club only focusing on the youth team/development squad.
I don't think he's here for playing reasons alone, or even as a major part of his job, he's just on a playing contract as the old guard, if worse comes to worse, stick harty on. He won't shine but he'll definately get muddy and sometimes we have to rely and use that if theres a bit of a crisis either with our attitude (which is unlikely to happen) or injuries and we can't get a short term loan in (which is more likely).