[Albion] Mats Wieffer SINGS on 5 year contract

[Jimmy Grimble]

Hurzeler said on MOTD we need to be more professional.

Some of the team ignored his instructions/tactics for that moment. Once the press had won the ball, there was absolutely no reason for the likes of Estupinan to charge into an empty half, in the context of a narrow lead near the end. He and others f*cked up.

Not just Weiffer.

You’d make a great politician.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Comedy pass followed by flukey deflection, shit happens. His bad hair also attracts vitriol.

Barely played, hopefully he'll get better.

 

[Weststander]

You’d make a great politician.

A question for you.

Why did Estupinan and an Albion player in a similar position on the other wing pile forward into empty space?

It can’t be anything to do with a press, their opponents were behind them.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

FWIW, Wieffer has had moments of looking good but far more moments of looking sub-par.

Unfortunately, he is very close to 25, so doesn’t have as much allowance in regards to his performance levels as some of the other recent signings.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

A question for you.

Why did Estupinan and an Albion player in a similar position on the other wing pile forward into empty space?

It can’t be anything to do with a press, their opponents were behind them.

You never mentioned Estupinan in your original point if you’re playing that game.

 

[Weststander]

You never mentioned Estupinan in your original point if you’re playing that game.

Relax, it’s a friendly debate.

Throughout I’ve said that the entire Albion defence and DM’ers should’ve stayed back in defensive shape. Estupinan is a defender. I couldn’t have been clearer, I didn’t need to list them all.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Relax, it’s a friendly debate.

Throughout I’ve said that the entire Albion defence and DM’ers should’ve stayed back in defensive shape. Estupinan is a defender. I couldn’t have been clearer, I didn’t need to list them all.

So like I said, you think it’s a tactical issue, we shouldn’t have pressed. Fair enough.

Personally I think FH knows it’s Wieffer’s fault but obviously can’t say it publicly. His philosophy is often to pursue a high press (especially given that we had spent too long on the back foot and needed to show some aggressive intent) and it was executed perfectly then let down by an embarrassing moment of play from one individual who showed the composure levels of a kid on the playground. After he lost the ball, no one really did much wrong.

It’s Wieffer’s fault. It’s one of those rare occasions where it is that simple.

 

[Weststander]

So like I said, you think it’s a tactical issue, we shouldn’t have pressed. Fair enough.

Personally I think FH knows it’s Wieffer’s fault but obviously can’t say it publicly. His philosophy is often to pursue a high press (especially given that we had spent too long on the back foot and needed to show some aggressive intent) and it was executed perfectly then let down by an embarrassing moment of play from one individual who showed the composure levels of a kid on the playground. After he lost the ball, no one really did much wrong.

It’s Wieffer’s fault. It’s one of those rare occasions where it is that simple.

Imho it’s not. That’s just error one. Goals are often conceded as a team affair, other errors had to happen for the ball to end up in our net almost the length of the pitch away.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Imho it’s not. That’s just error one. Goals are often conceded as a team affair, other errors had to happen for the ball to end up in our net almost the length of the pitch away.

We’ll agree to disagree.

It’s such a bad error it will go down in Albion folklore like the Hawkins and Hinshelwood own goals at Withdean. It’ll still be being spoken about years from now, that’s why Wieffer has now got so much to do to turn his image around.

 

[Ali_rrr]

It’s part of a mistake that cost 2 points. Experienced heads may have realised we are deep in stoppage time and winning and taken the ball towards the corner (to the groans of the stadium) and taken a corner or a throw in and killed the game off. The pass didn’t have to be played.
To many also over committed to the overload as well. Maybe not enough premier league experience on the pitch to consider if we misplace that pass we are going to be countered.
Manager spoke about momentum before the game and how you can be punished when you lose it. Today we lost the control for 10 minutes and it cost us.
Game management is what it is about. There a young bunch and it’s about learning from it

Just want to say, I’m 27 now and played semi professionally in Holland since I came here. I moved here when I was 18, and if I played a pass like that I wouldn’t be welcome back in the changing room. Honestly, I wouldn’t even show my face.

It’s absolutely unacceptable in Sunday league level, never mind the top level of English football. Anyone who has played football, if your teammates did this in the last minute, how would you actually react? Fuming, is the answer. I’m sure we won’t see any behind the scenes for that game.

I, and I’m sure the same as many others, would have maybe accepted from a player who was tired and misplaced a pass who’d been running up and down the whole game, not from a lad who came on for 8 minutes. Pathetic. You can tell me we shouldn’t have committed so many bodies forward, I’d say we pressed it as was the game plan, hence why we only had 5 in defence against, by the way, bottom of the league. Anyone who blames the defence for not closing them down didn’t see the whole pitch.

I really hope for his sake he offers a public apology and shows what he really can because I and many others can really see what he has to offer. See; NL against Germany last week.

My two memories of him right now as a Brighton supporter is almost giving a goal away against Everton and the pass tonight.

This is coming from someone who has always backed the Dutch players to a tee, but it’s simply not good enough.

 

[OzMike]

He is not good enough and it shows.

 

[Zeberdi]

My two memories of him right now as a Brighton supporter is almost giving a goal away against Everton and the pass tonight.

Are you sure you mean ‘Everton’ because he was really impressive at Goodison Park in August.

You must have a very selective memory or meant a different game - he was the holding MF and ran almost further than anyone else in the League in that game!

How Hurzeler is using Wieffer to unleash Brighton forwards

Adrian Clarke highlights summer signing's immediate impact at Brighton

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[Ali_rrr]

Are you sure you mean ‘Everton’ because he was really impressive at Goodison Park in August.

You must have a very selective memory or meant a different game - he was the holding MF and ran almost further than anyone else in the League in that game!

How Hurzeler is using Wieffer to unleash Brighton forwards

Adrian Clarke highlights summer signing's immediate impact at Brighton

www.premierleague.com

He was on the edge of our box and he gave a massive chance away. It was at the beginning of the game, first 15-20 minutes, that’s all I remember.

 

[AZ Gull]

Are you sure you mean ‘Everton’ because he was really impressive at Goodison Park in August.

You must have a very selective memory or meant a different game - he was the holding MF and ran almost further than anyone else in the League in that game!

How Hurzeler is using Wieffer to unleash Brighton forwards

Adrian Clarke highlights summer signing's immediate impact at Brighton

www.premierleague.com

He was on the edge of our box and he gave a massive chance away. It was at the beginning of the game, first 15-20 minutes, that’s all I remember.

Wieffer's error against Everton was what led to the Dunk penalty give-away (which was ultimately changed by referee Hooper). Around 4m 34s in these highlights:-

 

[dazzer6666]

He is not good enough and it shows.

Yet….

 

[Casper18]

To his credit, in a 4 vs 1 it was actually hqrder to pick out the single Wolves player than to pass to any of his 4 open and available team mates. So hopefully he can transfer this high level of accuracy to helping his own team next time.

 

[Justice]

Carlos has given away 9 assists to the opposition and now he looks like he’s played in the PL all his career, give the guy a bit of time to adjust.

 

[Han Solo]

Lolz. Excuse me if I have a MASSIVE sympathy pypass.

These fellas are paid an astronomical sum of money, more than most of us can ever imagine, to kick a ball around a piece of grass. If Weiffer can't find one of our players with a simple pass from that position then what the f**k has he done to earn his £80k a week?

Worse still, he has actually prevented the club going 3rd in the table, which historically would have been amazing for our club (our highest ever league position discounting early season placings).

If it doesn't work out for him here (and it seems unlikely it will), he'll probably move on to a team in a lesser league and have a moderately successful career while still raking the money in.

It hurts US much more than it hurts HIM.

Bollocks. Its a professional footballer giving two points away in a home game. No one feels more shit, or is more annoyed by his mistake, than Mats Wieffer. Guarantee it.

Still too early to judge him with his stop-start Brighon start. Need another couple of months to even predict how it will turn out imho.

 

[Littlemo]

So like I said, you think it’s a tactical issue, we shouldn’t have pressed. Fair enough.

Personally I think FH knows it’s Wieffer’s fault but obviously can’t say it publicly. His philosophy is often to pursue a high press (especially given that we had spent too long on the back foot and needed to show some aggressive intent) and it was executed perfectly then let down by an embarrassing moment of play from one individual who showed the composure levels of a kid on the playground. After he lost the ball, no one really did much wrong.

It’s Wieffer’s fault. It’s one of those rare occasions where it is that simple.

The goal isn’t Wieffers fault. Yeah his pass is dreadful and gives the ball away but he’s well into their half. Losing the ball that far up the pitch should not result in a goal down our end regardless. The fact that we didn’t defend it properly is really the fault here.

 

[warmleyseagull]

I doubt Wolves fans are having having a go at Sa for the clearance to FK that set up the opening goal, or Doyle blasting over bar earlier, both mistakes as costly as MW’s.

Welbeck said afterwards thatt MW is an exceptional player. Not sure about that and he is competing against others, particularly MOR once fit, and Gomez once arrives in January, but some of the comments on here are way OTT.