If the keeper has his hands on the ball, and an opposition player plays that ball - how 'strong' or 'weak' he is is irrelevant. You can't challenge a keeper who has 'control of the ball'.
So you're saying the pen should have been disallowed for hand ball?
Surely the keeper must have his hands on the ball 'and' be in control. Not sure Ortega actually was in control. The handball is another thing though.
Yeh, I agree that in a common sense world going for a 50/50 ball (without excessive violence or endangering an opponent of course) would not be regarded as a foul - but football's current rules and regulations are frequently not based on common sense, or at least don't make any allowances for it.
Given that they decided they had enough evidence to go with the on field call, they never really looked at this. I agree that what the angles we have seen are inconclusive but there are three points where it might have hit his hand or arm. The first is by his outstretched arm, when the ball bounces up - before it even reaches the keeper. The second in the moment it is knock out of / away from Ortega’s gloves, and finally when the ball drops onto Mitoma and into the net. The last one is probably only his shoulder / back. The other two I’m less sure.
Wonder if Hooper would of blown up if this happened down the other end
I suspect not. I do not think the decision was an egregious one, I'm not surprised it was disallowed. I would argue that Ortega did not have control of the ball, he had two hands touching the ball but he was not holding it. As for the handball element, I'd say the replays were inconclusive.
