[Albion] Malick Yalcouye **Singed 12/07/2024**

[Baldseagull]

Why?… if he is good enough he’s old enough. Yamal is 16 and played 38 games for Barca last season.

2 points.
La Liga is less intense, and less physical.
Barcelona and the Spanish national side have come in for some criticism in recent years, for burning out their young talent.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

2 points.
La Liga is less intense, and less physical.
Barcelona and the Spanish national side have come in for some criticism in recent years, for burning out their young talent.

I think another, is that you can do this, if the player is likely to reach the Mbappe, Messi sort of level, which at age 16 is Yamal's trajectory

If they are at the level below, still likely to have a very good career, but not global superstar, then a more normal initiation to top level football is advisable

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

We need him as a home grown player. Will also add to future value. I think he stays in UK

He doesn’t need to stay in the UK to count as an HGP.

William Saliba joined Arsenal at 18 and spent 3 seasons on loan in France and still counts as a home grown player. A loan transfer isn’t permanent so the player is still considered registered with his parent club as well for the 36 months/3 seasons criteria of HGP qualification.

 

[Don Tmatter]

Agreed. Walsall, Forest Green and Darlington, all short of midfielders

So are poor old Crawley

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

2 points.
La Liga is less intense, and less physical.
Barcelona and the Spanish national side have come in for some criticism in recent years, for burning out their young talent.

So if he's any good, play him every week, burn him out in 2 seasons then sell him on for £100m and let it become someone else's problem

 

[hans kraay fan club]

He doesn’t need to stay in the UK to count as an HGP.

William Saliba joined Arsenal at 18 and spent 3 seasons on loan in France and still counts as a home grown player. A loan transfer isn’t permanent so the player is still considered registered with his parent club as well for the 36 months/3 seasons criteria of HGP qualification.

Good knowledge.

Seems a ridiculous situation though - and entirely against the spirit of the HGP rules.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Good knowledge.

Seems a ridiculous situation though - and entirely against the spirit of the HGP rules.

It does, especially when you consider we couldn’t count Glenn Murray as home grown for the first PL season at least.

There was talk about dropping the HGP age to 18 rather than 21 and that would pretty much rule out any player born outside of the UK unless they had a right to live here as they wouldn’t be able to move before their 18th birthday.

Clubs will vote against any changes to the current setup though as they’ll argue limiting loans to the UK will harm players development rather than care that the HGP rules are meant to be there to help continued development of English/British players.

 

[chaileyjem]

 

[jackalbion]

2005 born, wow I'm basically dead

 

[Midget]

It does, especially when you consider we couldn’t count Glenn Murray as home grown for the first PL season at least.

There was talk about dropping the HGP age to 18 rather than 21 and that would pretty much rule out any player born outside of the UK unless they had a right to live here as they wouldn’t be able to move before their 18th birthday.

Clubs will vote against any changes to the current setup though as they’ll argue limiting loans to the UK will harm players development rather than care that the HGP rules are meant to be there to help continued development of English/British players.

I think the other argument they have against dropping it to 18 is it would disadvantage EPL teams in the European competitions.

I can't see the money-driven English clubs ever wanting to lower it just to benefit the national team.

 

[Gabbiano]

Given we have Wieffer and Baleba for this defensive midfield enforcer role, I'd have thought he'd go on loan, but not back to Sweden.

We seem to love sending players to the Eredivisie but maybe he needs more of a physical challenge than that league. Maybe one of the Ligue 1 bottom half teams, presumably as a Malian he already speaks French? Useless speculation.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I think the other argument they have against dropping it to 18 is it would disadvantage EPL teams in the European competitions.

I can't see the money-driven English clubs ever wanting to lower it just to benefit the national team.

European competitions have their own rules for HGPs which apply across the board to every team taking part. So a change in the HGP age for the PL wouldn’t necessarily have a detrimental effect in those competitions because HGP rules would still be set by UEFA.

 

[dazzer6666]

2005 born, wow I'm basically dead

....new manager was born the same year as one of my kids

 

[Midget]

European competitions have their own rules for HGPs which apply across the board to every team taking part. So a change in the HGP age for the PL wouldn’t necessarily have a detrimental effect in those competitions because HGP rules would still be set by UEFA.

Granted, but are EPL clubs going to sign those players in the first place, if they can't play in the EPL?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Granted, but are EPL clubs going to sign those players in the first place, if they can't play in the EPL?

I think they still would. I don’t think a change to the HGP rules would have stopped us signing the likes of Facundo or Enciso (they will both become HGP if they are still with us after the age of 21).

Even if they changed the HGP age to 18, there was no proposal to change the age limit for the 25 man squad so they’d still have 3 years of EPL football where they don’t need to be named in the squad anyway. It may make it harder for some to eventually make the grade but they’d still be sold on anyway.

It’s all hypothetical anyway as the PL clubs rejected the proposals a long time ago.

 

[Mancgull]

First teamer do we reckon? If Gross goes, I'd still like another CM in the mix regardless of whether young Malick is staying with us next season. Mind you, if we sign Kadioglu, maybe the plan is to play Hinsh mainly as a CM.

That is my thinking.

 

[beardy gull]

Probably take a look at him before deciding if a loan is the best option for him and us, as it should be.

 

[BevBHA]

Probably take a look at him before deciding if a loan is the best option for him and us, as it should be.

Translating roughly to “I have absolutely no idea but I’ll say maybe, maybe not so I can say I knew”

 

[Midget]

I think they still would. I don’t think a change to the HGP rules would have stopped us signing the likes of Facundo or Enciso (they will both become HGP if they are still with us after the age of 21).

Even if they changed the HGP age to 18, there was no proposal to change the age limit for the 25 man squad so they’d still have 3 years of EPL football where they don’t need to be named in the squad anyway. It may make it harder for some to eventually make the grade but they’d still be sold on anyway.

It’s all hypothetical anyway as the PL clubs rejected the proposals a long time ago.

But we'd be signing them with the intention they either become one of our 17 non-HGP when they hit 21, or get sold. We'd also have less money to take a punt on foreign youngsters if we had to either bring through or buy at least 8 British players to have a full squad for the domestic league. And those Brits available might not be as good, especially with every club needing 8 - plus they'd have even more Brit-inflation cost attached than Declan Rice.

They'd also be a non-HGP for any buying EPL club, so less likely to get their big move to a Man Utd or a Chelsea after us, and more difficult for us to sell on. Would we really have signed them, and would they have come in the first place?

We'd then be playing against e.g. Ajax in the Europa, who wouldn't have their domestic squad restricted in that way (regardless of what UEFA allows). I can see why clubs would think that put them at a disadvantage.

But as you say, all hypothetical - fun musings but I won't derail the thread further

 

[chaileyjem]

Translating roughly to “I have absolutely no idea but I’ll say maybe, maybe not so I can say I knew”

He’s just reporting where the club probably are. The squad is in flux, they’ve a pre season to see how he adapts, the coach will want a good luck and a loan - at some point - is certain to be one of the options. I’d be amazed if they’d be ruling out any of the above before he’s arrived unlike some of the loans that are announced on day 1 . (Eg Adingra, MacAllister etc)