Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Bozza]

There has been much written in the UK press this week, and on social media, about an increase in the risk of a second wave. It certainly spooked global stock markets yesterday. Perhaps such talk was inevitable in light of the reduction in lockdown restrictions, but I just wondered if I had missed some particular evidence of second waves occurring.

I think the cause of the fall in stock prices was largely due to infections rising rapidly in American States, something that has not occurred yet and probably won't, in Europe.

Anyone who can remember back to the days when we could go to football or the pub, will remember those folks who weren't too fussy about washing their hands. How long before they stop worrying entirely about Coronavirus? At the moment people will patiently wait outside shops for the one in one out rule to make it their turn. How many will be so compliant when it is freezing and pissing down? People are prepared to socialise in the garden right now, do you think they might just decide it isn't worth getting cold for? How long are people prepared to wait for things to get back to normal?

We ARE going to create better conditions for the virus to spread by being closer to more people and indoors. It only matters if infections start popping up all over the place and we face another choice around shut down, or it is you who gets infected.
You have to hope and trust we will be better prepared come the winter. That track, trace and isolate works, that the Health Service can cope and improve treatment and that we can protect the vulnerable. All of which could make it entirely manageable. I have no doubt there will be a second wave, I am just not sure how big a deal it will be.

I know there is discussion and hope that the virus is naturally weakening and is just going to fade, but I really don't believe that.

My view on the reduction in infection rates, hospitalisations and deaths across much of Europe is that it is a direct result of the things that most of us are doing, and equally not doing, as we have become accustomed over recent months.

Social interactions are, for many people, massively down. I would estimate that my own family's interactions with others remains at a level at least 95% below pre-Covid levels. Sure, some people have become more "relaxed" about measures, whilst some may have never really taken it seriously, but most folk are doing the right thing most of the time.

The ridiculously good run of weather we've had must have helped too, since it seems that the virus struggles outdoors, and in the open air it is significantly more difficult to spread from one person to another.

Through the lens of Instagram, which I use to follow and interact with other runners, I've been stunned at the difference in the US where it seems social distancing is almost a thing of the past for many, and it's been like that for some weeks now.

As a result, I'm not surprised in the slightest to now read that infection rates are on the rise in many States once again - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/10/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html - and it does seem as though there is some acceptance in the US that they're just going to get on with things and have ongoing death rates that could be around 1,000 per day.

 

[Birdie Boy]

Negative antibody test may not be conclusive. Possible to have a false negative response, and this is a new thing and no one know how the antibodies develop over time. So you could still have had it.

I realise it could be inconclusive but they took 3 vials of blood specifically for the covid anti body test. I am presuming and that they will testing my blood 3 times to be conclusive. I am guessing on this though.

 

[AZ Gull]

I know there is discussion and hope that the virus is naturally weakening and is just going to fade, but I really don't believe that.

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The ridiculously good run of weather we've had must have helped too, since it seems that the virus struggles outdoors, and in the open air it is significantly more difficult to spread from one person to another.

Through the lens of Instagram, which I use to follow and interact with other runners, I've been stunned at the difference in the US where it seems social distancing is almost a thing of the past for many, and it's been like that for some weeks now.

As a result, I'm not surprised in the slightest to now read that infection rates are on the rise in many States once again - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/10/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html - and it does seem as though there is some acceptance in the US that they're just going to get on with things and have ongoing death rates that could be around 1,000 per day.

Things are getting fairly bad in Arizona, four weeks after the stay-at-home order officially ended:

Arizona coronavirus cases nearly double since Memorial Day as state nears hospital capacity

Arizona reports single-day record 1,654 new coronavirus cases

And that should also give the lie to the idea that hot weather, in and of itself, will somehow act as a magic cure.

 

[Napper]

There has been much written in the UK press this week, and on social media, about an increase in the risk of a second wave. It certainly spooked global stock markets yesterday. Perhaps such talk was inevitable in light of the reduction in lockdown restrictions, but I just wondered if I had missed some particular evidence of second waves occurring.

people starting to enjoy them selves so need to get the fear out there again.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Things are getting fairly bad in Arizona, four weeks after the stay-at-home order officially ended:

Arizona coronavirus cases nearly double since Memorial Day as state nears hospital capacity

Arizona reports single-day record 1,654 new coronavirus cases

And that should also give the lie to the idea that hot weather, in and of itself, will somehow act as a magic cure.

Less than 8 milion people in Arizona. They maybe haven't got this right.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Things are getting fairly bad in Arizona, four weeks after the stay-at-home order officially ended:

Arizona coronavirus cases nearly double since Memorial Day as state nears hospital capacity

Arizona reports single-day record 1,654 new coronavirus cases

And that should also give the lie to the idea that hot weather, in and of itself, will somehow act as a magic cure.

Oddly California has a fairly tight lock down in us standards and they are going up

Georgia isn’t

 

[nicko31]

Things are getting fairly bad in Arizona, four weeks after the stay-at-home order officially ended:

Arizona coronavirus cases nearly double since Memorial Day as state nears hospital capacity

Arizona reports single-day record 1,654 new coronavirus cases

And that should also give the lie to the idea that hot weather, in and of itself, will somehow act as a magic cure.

That's not good, out of interest do you think they eased to early? How established is the contact tracing?

 

[Bozza]

Oddly California has a fairly tight lock down in us standards and they are going up

Georgia isn’t

Many of the people I was talking about in my post are in California, and their lives looks very pre-Covid kinda normal from what they post.

 

[AZ Gull]

That's not good, out of interest do you think they eased to early? How established is the contact tracing?

I don't really know about the contact tracing, but I doubt it is particularly effective - Arizona needs 4,000 COVID-19 contact tracers. Here's the best way to grow that army

I thought Governor Ducey did an okay job to start with; it is always easy to look back with hindsight and criticize. But one thing he definitely isn't doing is modelling the behaviour of mask-wearing, as these pictures demonstrate - Here are instances of Arizona Gov. Ducey not wearing a mask in public

(I've continued to come into the office throughout the pandemic - about a month ago my work place instigated the wearing of masks in all hallways/public areas, so Ducey wouldn't get away with what you see in those pictures if he came into my company).

Bars and restaurants are now open, supposedly with social distancing measures in place, but I would suspect it would be pretty easy to find places where the social distancing instructions are being ignored and flouted (I can't speak from personal experience because I have only had take-out since re-opening was allowed).

 

[Solid at the back]

Cba

 

[atomised]

Cba

Clearly you can seeing as you felt the need to come on and say it

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Texas and Florida have their highest number of daily cases so far. They are not sure if it's a second wave or a continuation of the first wave .

 

[Rugrat]

Texas and Florida have their highest number of daily cases so far. They are not sure if it's a second wave or a continuation of the first wave .

From here it doesn't look like a lot of the US (exc NYC and some others) has been bothering too much, certainly not to the extent of the likes of much of Europe. A continuation?

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

From here it doesn't look like a lot of the US (exc NYC and some others) has been bothering too much, certainly not to the extent of the likes of much of Europe. A continuation?

Think you're probably right. NYC had a scary start but Cuomo did a good job in telling people what needed to be done and why and managed to flatten the curve and keep it there. I would say that 90% of pedestrians wear a mask or face covering, and generally New Yorkers don't like being told what to do. Trying not to stereotype but a lot of the Red Neck States basically said up yours and carried on as normal.

 

[banjo]

Beijing reporting more cases from an open market. Now locking down that area.

 

[Yoda]

Beijing reporting more cases from an open market. Now locking down that area.

From Sky News:
"The cluster was detected after throat swabs from 45 people, out of 517 tested at the district's Xinfadi market, proved positive for coronavirus, although none of them showed symptoms of COVID-19, according to the authorities."

Combine that with the WHO's latest thought about "truly asymptomatic" cases: "Countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are “not finding secondary transmission onward” from those cases. “It’s very rare.”"

Remember, asymptomatic and presymptomatic are different. Presymptomatic can still spread.

 

[oldboyroy]

When I went local shopping today apart from a few wearing face coverings it was business as usual even in shops. No one would of thought there was any social distancing. Think most have just even given up trying too keep distance. It feels like normal here now.

 

[beorhthelm]

Remember, asymptomatic and presymptomatic are different. Presymptomatic can still spread.

this is nonsense. i've read an article trying to explain the difference, there is no difference except for the words. only thing i can tell is that those who go on to be symptomatic are labeled as having been presymtomatic. at the earlier stage, you dont know whether symptoms will occur, so they are the same. the premise of asymtomatic not spreading is that they have it so mild or a weak strain, they dont shed enough material to be contagious.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Many of the people I was talking about in my post are in California, and their lives looks very pre-Covid kinda normal from what they post.

I guess it’s who you talk to etc as the Virgin Reps/Suppliers I speak to are taking it deadly serious.

Guess it’s like anywhere really.

Looking at NV - the cases are up, however deaths are still low and testing is up due to casinos testing staff

 

[nicko31]

57 new cases in China, not great

https://www.france24.com/en/2020061...st-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-two-months