Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[AZ Gull]

A few weeks ago it looked as though Arizona might escape the pandemic relatively lightly. Governor Ducey allowed elective surgeries to recommence on May 1. However, on Friday a friend who works for Banner Health was telling me that they were nearing capacity.

This isn't great news:-

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And:-

State health director tells Arizona hospitals to 'fully activate' emergency plans

Republican congresswoman Debbie Lesko has decided that now is the right time to persuade the RNC that Phoenix (or adjoining cities) should host the Convention that Trump has pulled from North Carolina because their governor couldn't assure him that large crowds would be allowed.

Lesko said:-

Hey, two days ago, Arizona wasn't even in the mix and now they are. .. Why not try this? It would be great for the hotels and the restaurants and the economy and all the businesses. I mean, they're hurting so much because of the coronavirus shut down. .. I think it would be great.

Seems like a flawless plan to me.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Plans shelved for all primary children to return to school before the summer holidays. Schools are being given flexibility to decide whether or not to admit more pupils. Given class sizes have been reduced to a maximum of 15 for those that have returned it means schools are already at capacity so it's difficult to see how other year groups would have returned anyway while maintaining the bubbles they've setup for each class.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52969679

 

[beorhthelm]

One report by one group based on various assumptions ....stick ten of that lot in a room all with their models ..you”ll get ten different answers

literally, the model comes out with wildly different results each run and are averaged for the published results.

The model also predicted that the outbreak would be nearly over by now without lockdown, as so many people would have been infected.
More than seven in 10 people in the UK would have had Covid, leading to herd immunity and the virus no longer spreading.

this was always in the predictions and either ignord or talked around. the graphs are around in this thread, one big spike overwhelming healthcare, or flatten the curve to manage healthcare and see new waves later. we chose the former policy. only hope the models future wave is incorrect.

 

[atomised]

So project all primary schools fully back before summer break seems to be hanging by a thread

 

[beorhthelm]

So project all primary schools fully back before summer break seems to be hanging by a thread

its dropped, wont happen unless individual schools make provision for classes to return.

 

[WATFORD zero]

To be fair Matty boy can only do as he's told. He,like most others in government have made mistakes and as health minister has taken some flak. He has worked harder than most others especially Boris who we only see every now and again.

Talk about damning with faint praise. I work harder than Johnson, and I've been retired 10 years

But back to Hancock. I remember having a really hard working office cleaner at one of my companies. Paid them more than any other office cleaner I had ever employed.

Didn't make them Sales Director though

 

[WATFORD zero]

its dropped, wont happen unless individual schools make provision for classes to return.

And I see Dom leaked that to the press this morning before the Cabinet meeting that decides it had even started. Just in case any of them forgot who is in charge

 

[The Wizard]

Surely kids being off until September at the earliest makes any proper back to ‘normal’ work plans an absolute no go? Can’t exactly leave the kids with the grandparents can you either

 

[sydney]

sounds like a right cluster****......politicians the world over are being shown up for the useless , clueless , self important , capitalist bell ends in a lot of cases on salaries that are many many times the average income ....google it , what some of these heads of state are on is ****ing ridiculous.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Our world beating test and trace system is not fit for purpose according to Indepenent Sage. So that's good.

 

[sydney]

who'd a thunk they would **** it right up ....really....??

 

[Mellotron]

I have to say that I for one am shocked that this Government have messed up here. They've been doing SO well.

 

[nicko31]

Our world beating test and trace system is not fit for purpose according to Indepenent Sage. So that's good.

How could anything be world beating when it was at least 3 months late?

 

[The Wizard]

They may be right or not but I wish people would stop quoting SAGE as a credible source, they’ve been equally if not worse than the government throughout this.

 

[beorhthelm]

Our world beating test and trace system is not fit for purpose according to Indepenent Sage. So that's good.

two articles i read dont really give reason why, though hint at the centralisation. reading the report theres a view that support for those traced isnt sufficient and wants the system run by local health authorities, sharing data (anyone spot the flaw here?). the tone is should be done differently (local not central), rather than the sound bite not fit for purpose, i wonder why or where the tone is changed.

and worth noting Scotland and Wales have their own processes, not sure how similar or not they are.

 

[CHAPPERS]

two articles i read dont really give reason why, though hint at the centralisation. reading the report theres a view that support for those traced isnt sufficient and wants the system run by local health authorities, sharing data (anyone spot the flaw here?). the tone is should be done differently (local not central), rather than the sound bite not fit for purpose, i wonder why or where the tone is changed.

Edit : maybe not

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

They may be right or not but I wish people would stop quoting SAGE as a credible source, they’ve been equally if not worse than the government throughout this.

Them and imperial.

Jeeez I can’t believe imperial forecasts are still being used

 

[The Wizard]

Well I never, really surprising.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...er-outbreak-in-wuhan-researchers-say-12003393

 

[wehatepalace]

Well I never, really surprising.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...er-outbreak-in-wuhan-researchers-say-12003393

Yeah I read that too, would certainly tie in with the many claims of people here saying they had it in December, January and February (myself included).

 

[The Wizard]

Yeah I read that too, would certainly tie in with the many claims of people here saying they had it in December, January and February (myself included).

I used to think this as well but unfortunately the excess death toll was the breaking point, if people had this quite readily here in winter you’d have expected the excess deaths to be that of a really bad flu season, which they weren't. It’s intriguing though, remember the man in France who had it in late December, and wasn’t diagnosed until months later when they retested samples.

I wonder if we will ever know.