Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[The Wizard]

Just seen Thorpe Park and Alton Towers are provisionally being told they can reopen from July 4th with capacity restrictions, yet Chester Zoo (Amongst others) have been told they cannot reopen and so are having to beg for public donations in order to keep themselves afloat. How that makes any sense I simply have no idea.

 

[atomised]

Just seen Thorpe Park and Alton Towers are provisionally being told they can reopen from July 4th with capacity restrictions, yet Chester Zoo (Amongst others) have been told they cannot reopen and so are having to beg for public donations in order to keep themselves afloat. How that makes any sense I simply have no idea.

I've wondered that very same thing. If tourist attractions can reopen and are making the required adjustments I dont understand why Chester Zoo are being told to prepare to remain closed indefinitely

 

[The Wizard]

I've wondered that very same thing. If tourist attractions can reopen and are making the required adjustments I dont understand why Chester Zoo are being told to prepare to remain closed indefinitely

Thankfully the amazing british public have come up trumps again, nearly 2 million raised on JG in a couple of days. Staggering. I have been to Chester Zoo and the staff there are wonderful, they really do love and care for their animals.



Having been to Theme Parks and zoos I would say it’s far easier to socially distance in a zoo than it is at a theme park, perhaps the answer is Zoos can’t afford to operate at reduced capacity but theme parks have big enough margins that they can? I haven’t found a clear answer yet.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Just seen Thorpe Park and Alton Towers are provisionally being told they can reopen from July 4th with capacity restrictions, yet Chester Zoo (Amongst others) have been told they cannot reopen and so are having to beg for public donations in order to keep themselves afloat. How that makes any sense I simply have no idea.

Zoos are their knees, this stinks of a back hander.

 

[oldboyroy]

According to ons figures the rates of infections still dropping quite rapidly despite easing of lockdown. All the crowded tubes beaches parks that we've seen pics of have made no difference whatsoever to infections...that is good news for us all surely?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just seen Thorpe Park and Alton Towers are provisionally being told they can reopen from July 4th with capacity restrictions, yet Chester Zoo (Amongst others) have been told they cannot reopen and so are having to beg for public donations in order to keep themselves afloat. How that makes any sense I simply have no idea.

It makes as much sense as German football.

Behind closed doors (but Rummenigge and a couple of chums got to see Bayren at Dortmund). 4th official in a mask, managers NOT in a mask. Teams out separately but then clogging and cuddling at corners. Refs in a mask in the dressing room but taking them off while in the tunnel (still indoors and within 2 metres of each other).

There is no consistency from anyone because most of those in charge, having never dealt with a pandemic before, are busking it. The next one will be SO much better organised

 

[atomised]

According to ons figures the rates of infections still dropping quite rapidly despite easing of lockdown. All the crowded tubes beaches parks that we've seen pics of have made no difference whatsoever to infections...that is good news for us all surely?

All except those on twitter and the like panicking every time a picture of somewhere crowded emerges. Think some of them are desperate for a second wave

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-attended-lockdown-barbecue-with-journalists

Deary me.

In a statement issued to his local paper after he was approached by the Guardian, Seely said: “As the island’s MP, I have had a lot of dialogue with local residents over recent weeks. The vast majority of these have been over the phone or the internet. A handful of these – when requested – have been in person, at a 2-metre distance and outside.

“I was in Seaview two weeks ago undertaking constituency work. Whilst there, I agreed to visit someone who wanted to discuss the app. He is a journalist and an acquaintance. When I arrived, I saw another couple of people there, which I was not expecting. I thought about leaving, but felt that was perhaps overreacting.

“I apologise because, on balance, I called this wrong. It would have better to have spoken to this person without any others nearby.”

He added: “At a sensible distance, we talked in the garden. The others left 15 minutes later, and I stayed to talk with this person [Gray] for a further 20 minutes or so. I then left. I didn’t go inside any building, nor did I have a drink. As it was after normal working hours, my girlfriend was with me.

 

[oldboyroy]

All except those on twitter and the like panicking every time a picture of somewhere crowded emerges. Think some of them are desperate for a second wave

Obviously, we need to be alert,careful if you like but considering the pics of mass gathering in certain areas, the virus isn't winning. I myself have been in shops and once in its virtually a free for all. However, its under control possibly dying out and who knows just maybe millions of us are simply immune from it!

 

[atomised]

Obviously, we need to be alert,careful if you like but considering the pics of mass gathering in certain areas, the virus isn't winning. I myself have been in shops and once in its virtually a free for all. However, its under control possibly dying out and who knows just maybe millions of us are simply immune from it!

I think theres plenty of positives out there. I know I'm more careful and alert than previously but that's no bad thing. I've sensed optimism at this weeks briefings along with disappointment at the negativity from the other podiums and the media. Its felt like quite a sea change

 

[oldboyroy]

Saw the Irish news conference at lunchtime and yes it seems more positive rather than negative it's 1st time I've seen the conference in Ireland and it was quite a down to earth/ honest and very much an upbeat press conference.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Sage reminded masks on public transport a month ago

 

[The Wizard]

Sage also said there was no point closing our boarders in early March... I respect scientists massively but I can’t say I have much faith in SAGE anymore.

 

[clapham_gull]

I was very down on the mask thing based on the science (help stops you giving, doesn't stop you taking), so am actually quite glad they are now compulsory on public transport because that's the only way.

However, I'd thought I'd have a go and have started wearing one outside. Observations.

1) They are hot and it's summer.

2) They steam your glasses up because as you breath your breathe goes straight upwards. Luckily I only wear reading glasses.

3) Lastly (and most importantly) people keep away from you in way they wouldn't if you didn't have one on.

The last point has changed my mind about them and I don't enter a shop without one on.

Top Tip: Cough a bit if anyone gets near.

 

[Weststander]

Finally, the WHO who are guiding the world on covid, reverse their stance ... fabric face masks worn by the public can help stop the spread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52945210

In fairness to them, and all the independent UK scientists such as Dr Chris Smith who were never convinced on the benefits of face masks away from hospital settings, so much is being learnt during this pandemic.

 

[atomised]

I was very down on the mask thing based on the science (help stops you giving, doesn't stop you taking), so am actually quite glad they are now compulsory on public transport because that's the only way.

However, I'd thought I'd have a go and have started wearing one outside. Observations.

1) They are hot and it's summer.

2) They steam your glasses up because as you breath your breathe goes straight upwards. Luckily I only wear reading glasses.

3) Lastly (and most importantly) people keep away from you in way they wouldn't if you didn't have one on.

The last point has changed my mind about them and I don't enter a shop without one on.

Top Tip: Cough a bit if anyone gets near.

They are a great tool when you want to shy away from interaction anyway

 

[Yoda]

Sage also said there was no point closing our boarders in early March... I respect scientists massively but I can’t say I have much faith in SAGE anymore.

SAGE are still using their basis on the Spanish Flu and I wish it would stop. The Spanish Flu was, as it's name suggests, an H1N1 Influenza A virus.

CoViD-19, as it's full name SARS-CoV-2 suggests, is a SARS Virus. So we need to look at previous SARS viruses like it's predecessors SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV.

Why do you think they are still talking about possible 2nd waves? That's right, the basis of The Spanish Flu. The 2nd wave of The Spanish Flu coincided with the Northern Hemispheres Winter, when an Influenza is at it's most potent.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I know it’s been ridiculed by some but the Imperial College’s estimate of 260,000 deaths if we had not had a lot lockdown actually seems like it was a fair prediction now.

In reality we’ve actually had more like 60,000-70,000 fatalities based on the excess deaths data. I don’t think it’s that hard to believe that the number could’ve quadrupled with no restrictions in place and therefore no protection of the NHS.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I know it’s been ridiculed by some but the Imperial College’s estimate of 260,000 deaths if we had not had a lot lockdown actually seems like it was a fair prediction now.

In reality we’ve actually had more like 60,000-70,000 fatalities based on the excess deaths data. I don’t think it’s that hard to believe that the number could’ve quadrupled with no restrictions in place and therefore no protection of the NHS.

Well some of those deaths have been attributed as not a direct result of Covid 19 but maybe indirect ...and the base figure of expected deaths is not an exact science ....then of course some of those attributed to Covid 19 havnt necessarily died from it but with it ...i guess you could balance that out with those that have died from it but not been tested.
We’ve yet to see the full Economic effects on the country because of lockdown and how that translates into life expectancy etc

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Finally, the WHO who are guiding the world on covid, reverse their stance ... fabric face masks worn by the public can help stop the spread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52945210

In fairness to them, and all the independent UK scientists such as Dr Chris Smith who were never convinced on the benefits of face masks away from hospital settings, so much is being learnt during this pandemic.

So many scientists, so little common sense...

It's always been patently obvious to anybody with half a brain that if the virus gets mainly spread by coughs and sneezes, then - big surprise! - wearing a mask is going to cut down on transmission of the virus. Main official 'expert' advice against: it may lull the wearer into a false sense of security. Tho then again it may not, eh? And the other argument is that it may not offer the wearer much added protection. Well, duh, the object is mainly to offer others some added protection from the wearer. A bit like coughing or sneezing into your sleeve eh, only better. Sake!

And... RELAX