Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Weststander]

This was highlighted by [MENTION=11722]Jimmy[/MENTION] Grumble on another thread. About as close to a true comparison as we're going to get.

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That’s THE key data, but it’s well out of date for Italy for example, where even the Italian government are showing 31,000 hospital covid deaths alone. The 50,000 UK figure was calculated this week.

 

[The Wizard]

Both Spain and Italy have admitted their death tolls are likely much higher than currently reported, the constant narrative going on that we are the worst hit and the fact the press seem to be absolutely obsessed by this when countries have admitted the way they record deaths is different, unreliable and that true numbers will never be known but I feel like the press have an agenda behind all this.

That’s about as political as it gets from me, as someone who has no political preference I simply look at how unprecedented this situation is, and our infrastructure here was not ready for a pandemic that much is obvious but we are by no means alone on this and it’s very easy to let a political agenda make you think this would have been any different with anyone else in charge.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Both Spain and Italy have admitted their death tolls are likely much higher than currently reported, the constant narrative going on that we are the worst hit and the fact the press seem to be absolutely obsessed by this when countries have admitted the way they record deaths is different, unreliable and that true numbers will never be known but I feel like the press have an agenda behind all this.

That’s about as political as it gets from me, as someone who has no political preference I simply look at how unprecedented this situation is, and our infrastructure here was not ready for a pandemic that much is obvious but we are by no means alone on this and it’s very easy to let a political agenda make you think this would have been any different with anyone else in charge.

It’s also very easy to see just in plain sight that it could easily have been different with someone else in charge though, isn’t it?

 

[The Wizard]

It’s also very easy to see just in plain sight that it could easily have been different with someone else in charge though, isn’t it?

I guess labour would have magicked up 500k per day testing capacity This thread is going down the political route again - there is a specific thread for the political response/Boris so I’m not going to get into a debate about it, like I said I have no interest in politics. I see crisis all over Europe and we are no different.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It’s also very easy to see just in plain sight that it could easily have been different with someone else in charge though, isn’t it?

Who would have made it different, and in what way?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It’s also very easy to see just in plain sight that it could easily have been different with someone else in charge though, isn’t it?

I disagree. Wishful thinking. It is unlikely that given our minds were on Brexit for far too long and then with a december election, how any new govt only a few months into its term, would have improved things. As much as I did not like Corbyn (I like Starmer), I would not blame him at this moment if things were as they are now. It is far too early to properly judge the incumbent lot, but when the true figures are known worldwide, we will be in a position to clearly see what the failings were, how they could have responded better and thirdly if we want to provoke action against those in charge.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I guess labour would have magicked up 500k per day testing capacity This thread is going down the political route again - there is a specific thread for the political response/Boris so I’m not going to get into a debate about it, like I said I have no interest in politics. I see crisis all over Europe and we are no different.

You’re making it political. With sarcastic comments to boot - if anyone’s political agenda is coming through it’s yours. If you have no political interest, don’t make any political comments. [emoji2369]

Who would have made it different, and in what way?

I don’t know. My point was anyone else would have handled it differently because every individual is different. Hopefully who ever it was would have read the reports the government had about our preparedness for a pandemic better. At a bare minimum they wouldn’t have gone round shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I disagree. Wishful thinking. It is unlikely that given our minds were on Brexit for far too long and then with a december election, how any new govt only a few months into its term, would have improved things. As much as I did not like Corbyn (I like Starmer), I would not blame him at this moment if things were as they are now. It is far too early to properly judge the incumbent lot, but when the true figures are known worldwide, we will be in a position to clearly see what the failings were, how they could have responded better and thirdly if we want to provoke action against those in charge.

I said different - not necessarily better. Like you’ve pointed out, we can’t be 100% certain on that yet.

 

[Jim D]

I disagree. Wishful thinking. It is unlikely that given our minds were on Brexit for far too long and then with a december election, how any new govt only a few months into its term, would have improved things. As much as I did not like Corbyn (I like Starmer), I would not blame him at this moment if things were as they are now. It is far too early to properly judge the incumbent lot, but when the true figures are known worldwide, we will be in a position to clearly see what the failings were, how they could have responded better and thirdly if we want to provoke action against those in charge.

If Corbyn had won the election then we would have been in the same territory as after the 2010 election and the 'sorry, we spent all the money' letter. Labour would have done absolutely nothing more but would have been telling us about the state the Tories left everything in and that this is all their fault. They would have almost certainly been a lot more open about the lack of PPE, test kits, contact tracing, etc. as they would have pointed the finger straight at the previous government and said 'it's all their fault'.

 

[Weststander]

You’re making it political. With sarcastic comments to boot - if anyone’s political agenda is coming through it’s yours. If you have no political interest, don’t make any political comments. [emoji2369]



I don’t know. My point was anyone else would have handled it differently because every individual is different. Hopefully who ever it was would have read the reports the government had about our preparedness for a pandemic better. At a bare minimum they wouldn’t have gone round shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

Your posts are political, usually with an angle.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Your posts are political, usually with an angle.

If you think so. By all means call me out on it next time. I understand it’s very easy to perceive a lot of posts as political on this topic given its nature. The difference is I’ve never proclaimed to be not making something political while making a post about it that could be perceived as such.

 

[Billy the Fish]

do you trust our figures?

That’s THE key data, but it’s well out of date for Italy for example, where even the Italian government are showing 31,000 hospital covid deaths alone. The 50,000 UK figure was calculated this week.

FFS, you can't trust anything

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Woman on the radio this morning was told to send her kid back to school due to loosening of rules, and told to go back to work (where she comes into contact with people in high risk groups). Her daughter has noe been sent home again because there is a case of Covid in the school. Mum called 101 for advice and was told she had to stay at work. Expert on radio said this is not current government advice, and that she should phone 101 again and demand a test. He then said it would probably be some time before she got a test. So she has to bring someone in to look after her kid (who may well have Covid) and meanwhile go to work where she may well spread Covid to vulnerable people. Correct me if I'm wrong but....we don't seem to know what we're doing.

 

[Albion Dan]

If Corbyn had won the election then we would have been in the same territory as after the 2010 election and the 'sorry, we spent all the money' letter.

I'm no Corbyn fan but you do realise that we are going to be bankrupt in a few months under Boris?

 

[Solid at the back]

Woman on the radio this morning was told to send her kid back to school due to loosening of rules, and told to go back to work (where she comes into contact with people in high risk groups). Her daughter has noe been sent home again because there is a case of Covid in the school. Mum called 101 for advice and was told she had to stay at work. Expert on radio said this is not current government advice, and that she should phone 101 again and demand a test. He then said it would probably be some time before she got a test. So she has to bring someone in to look after her kid (who may well have Covid) and meanwhile go to work where she may well spread Covid to vulnerable people. Correct me if I'm wrong but....we don't seem to know what we're doing.

Correct, we've not got a clue.

I can't see why we've even had a lockdown at all. Now that we've eased restictions without a plan, we will be in the same position in 2 weeks time,that we were in at the end of March. What was the point in the first semi lockdown, if we are just going to waste the progress it made by easing too early and without a proper plan in place? Madness!

 

[wehatepalace]

I'm no Corbyn fan but you do realise that we are going to be bankrupt in a few months under Boris?

Lucky we had the last few years of austerity then, because if we hadn’t we’d already be bankrupt!

 

[oldboyroy]

A 100% accurate antibody test is new hope, let's hope everyone can have 1 and get some sort of normality back in life.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Correct, we've not got a clue.

I can't see why we've even had a lockdown at all. Now that we've eased restictions without a plan, we will be in the same position in 2 weeks time,that we were in at the end of March. What was the point in the first semi lockdown, if we are just going to waste the progress it made by easing too early and without a proper plan in place? Madness!

I fear you are right.

The Government have decided to throw away all the hard work and sacrifice so far.

Wave 2 on the horizon and closing in fast.

 

[The Wizard]

What a cheery thread, Jesus. There’s no evidence a wave 2 even exists, even Spanish flu which had a second wave, the second wave was after months not a few weeks after the main wave and this was without any kind of measures or lockdown. As long as vulnerable people are being shielded why is there such a climate of fear? ONS stats from last week show only 30 people under 40 with no ‘diagnosed’ underlying issue have died.

There has been no big rise or second wave in any country yet.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Woman on the radio this morning was told to send her kid back to school due to loosening of rules, and told to go back to work (where she comes into contact with people in high risk groups). Her daughter has noe been sent home again because there is a case of Covid in the school. Mum called 101 for advice and was told she had to stay at work. Expert on radio said this is not current government advice, and that she should phone 101 again and demand a test. He then said it would probably be some time before she got a test. So she has to bring someone in to look after her kid (who may well have Covid) and meanwhile go to work where she may well spread Covid to vulnerable people. Correct me if I'm wrong but....we don't seem to know what we're doing.

That sounds fishy as no-one has been sending kids to school unless they are disadvantaged or kids of key workers. This kind of situation (depending on Unions etc) will only exist from June 1st at earliest. Boris said the other day that having to care for a child was a reason not to go to work.