Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Bakero]

Are there any restrictions on travel in and out of Spain at the moment? What are the figures of cases atm? I am asking purely for selfish reasons as I am due to visit next month.

Over 2000 in Spain as of today, which keeps us right on track with Italy, just a week behind.

Half the Spanish cases are in Madrid. Wonder how many Madrileños have travelled to Italy for tonight's match.

 

[A1X]

Roma aren't travelling to Spain but that seems to be more of a problem with the plane from Italy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51831256

Although...

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[Wellesley]

Cysts? You mean buboes! That's good old fashioned plague you have there.

Thank God for that. I thought I had the virus for a minute.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

a nothing increase on yesterday.

Quick quick , panic panic

There was me thinking it demonstrated decades of planning and war-gaming strategies by highly competent individuals put in place to ensure we would be ready for such a pandemic.

Sort of the opposite of panic really.

 

[Wilko]

Over 2000 in Spain as of today, which keeps us right on track with Italy, just a week behind.

Half the Spanish cases are in Madrid. Wonder how many Madrileños have travelled to Italy for tonight's match.

I am actually going to Ibiza so hoping that the Balearic Islands stay safe! Actually hoping to take in an Ibiza game whilst I am there, I see they beat the Mallorcan based team at the weekend.

https://www.ibizaud.com/en/0-2-ibiza-wins-the-balearic-derby/

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Over 2000 in Spain as of today, which keeps us right on track with Italy, just a week behind.

Half the Spanish cases are in Madrid. Wonder how many Madrileños have travelled to Italy for tonight's match.

That's going to be a lot of holiday inns needing a deep clean.

One thing that keeps striking me is just how many people who come out of an infected area have the infection. I'm sure proportionally it indicates that the virus is far more widespread, which would make sense as most people out and about are young with mild symptoms that don't need testing - but are tested as soon as they land on a plane from Milan. Same thing with so many politicians and organisational leaders declared positive, they are people actually getting regularly tested, so the virus is showing up with them. Take the head of Poland army being positive when there's less than 50 cases in the country. Odds on him being 1 of just 50?

So I think it is everywhere but many people are so mildly affected that they don't get tested. But then as soon as it hits an old and infirm person - bang they're in intensive care, over half of them seriously afflicted. And the hospitals can't cope with that volume of patients, the virus is very fatal for many of them and others could have been saved if they could have got the necessary attention.

So I'm just making sure that all my elderly relatives are getting food delivered or bought for them and are staying as isolated as feasible. Cheltenham week is a godsend as when it's on I can't move many of them away from in front of the telly at the best of times!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That's going to be a lot of holiday inns needing a deep clean.

One thing that keeps striking me is just how many people who come out of an infected area have the infection. I'm sure proportionally it indicates that the virus is far more widespread, which would make sense as most people out and about are young with mild symptoms that don't need testing - but are tested as soon as they land on a plane from Milan. Same thing with so many politicians and organisational leaders declared positive, they are people actually getting regularly tested, so the virus is showing up with them. Take the head of Poland army being positive when there's less than 50 cases in the country. Odds on him being 1 of just 50?

So I think it is everywhere but many people are so mildly affected that they don't get tested. But then as soon as it hits an old and infirm person - bang they're in intensive care, over half of them seriously afflicted. And the hospitals can't cope with that volume of patients, the virus is very fatal for many of them and others could have been saved if they could have got the necessary attention.

So I'm just making sure that all my elderly relatives are getting food delivered or bought for them and are staying as isolated as feasible. Cheltenham week is a godsend as when it's on I can't move many of them away from in front of the telly at the best of times!

Hope we get nowhere near Spain's number, that's worrying. Hoping we see Italy's infected numbers come down.

 

[Triggaaar]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ghting-covid-19-outbreak-is-like-war-11954229
For those that think it's just a bad cold/flu. This man thinks different and he should know.

Have any 'FFS it's just a cold' disciples admitted they got it wrong yet, or are they pretending things have changed?

 

[Triggaaar]

Changing ingrained patterns of behaviour is not a simple thing...

Well not for simple people, no. Like the woman saying not to touch your face, before licking her finger.

 

[Triggaaar]

I almost guarantee it’ll be me , after my posts on here!

Yeah, but you'll (hopefully) suffer no more than one cough and be straight on here to say 'I told you so'.

 

[Swansman]

Have any 'FFS it's just a cold' disciples admitted they got it wrong yet, or are they pretending things have changed?

People admitting they're wrong is never becoming a pandemic issue...

 

[Triggaaar]

I saw that and it was in a reply to me. I've watched it and a few thoughts occurred.

Firstly, this is obviously more serious than I first thought. I acknowledge and admit that. Not the first time I've been wrong but hopefully not in the BG league (RIP).

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

a nothing increase on yesterday.

Quick quick , panic panic

Where are you getting those numbers?

 

[Nobby]

Coronavirus / Covid-19

-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;9273267]Where are you getting those numbers?

https://youtu.be/RKAJH9wEInY

Apologies for being flippant - but seriously naive and unintelligent posters on here

Yes they may have not gone up by many today but ask him again next week

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Have any 'FFS it's just a cold' disciples admitted they got it wrong yet, or are they pretending things have changed?

For 80-85% of the population it’s is just the flu and a piss poor version at that. However, as Italy has shown if it gets into the ‘at risk’ group its carnage. Italy was the game changer for me.

Mortality rates are anywhere from <1% up to 5%. Italy being at the high end and South Korea at the low. 0.7%. Average is 2%.


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[atomised]

Where are you getting those numbers?

I was confused by the increase to 382 this morning as I believed 2pm was the daily announcement schedule

 

[perseus]

OK, here is my take. I am a scientist (PhD) working in academia (research and teaching). My 'thing' is hypothesis generation and testing.

Question: How can I avoid catching this virus?

Answer: The only sure fire way is to avoid close contact with someone carrying the virus. Washing your hands won't help because it is spread by inhaling microdroplets exhaled by folk up to several metres away. This means complete self isolation.

Circumstantial evidence from Burn's Day indicated it spread by fomites as well. Added to by the baggage carriers.

Started washing my hands after putting out the wheelie bins.

 

[beorhthelm]

That's going to be a lot of holiday inns needing a deep clean.

One thing that keeps striking me is just how many people who come out of an infected area have the infection. I'm sure proportionally it indicates that the virus is far more widespread, which would make sense as most people out and about are young with mild symptoms that don't need testing - but are tested as soon as they land on a plane from Milan. Same thing with so many politicians and organisational leaders declared positive, they are people actually getting regularly tested, so the virus is showing up with them. Take the head of Poland army being positive when there's less than 50 cases in the country. Odds on him being 1 of just 50?

So I think it is everywhere but many people are so mildly affected that they don't get tested. But then as soon as it hits an old and infirm person - bang they're in intensive care, over half of them seriously afflicted. And the hospitals can't cope with that volume of patients, the virus is very fatal for many of them and others could have been saved if they could have got the necessary attention.

So I'm just making sure that all my elderly relatives are getting food delivered or bought for them and are staying as isolated as feasible. Cheltenham week is a godsend as when it's on I can't move many of them away from in front of the telly at the best of times!

been clear for some time from the dispersal of infections that there must be more than being reported. but cant track non-reporting illness.

(well not yet, might be able to with some clever interpretation of data)

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Morning, squire.

First, yes, there is no 'official' advice to self isolate. But there won't be until it becomes compulsory to self isolate....which it won't (we are not Italy or China).

Remember, we are essentially talking about young fit people self-isolating and losing pay (and possibly their job) on the off chance it may be them who would otherwise infect and kill an old person.

A old person with a support network might self isolate to protect himself/herself, but that's not what most of us think of when the word 'self-isolate' is mentioned.

As for slowing down the spread.....if that means slowing it down sufficiently long that we might have a vaccine ready, sure. Two problems: the first is this means a year at best (it will have run its course by then with no measures taken), and second, delaying the inevitable is just prolonging the agony. Remember, slowing down the spread does not mean reducing the total number of people who will be infected.

So it may be fair to ask whether slowing down the spread might reduce the total number of people infected. I think not. However, back to hygeine etc., sure, wash your hands. Self isolate if you can do so without jeopardising your income or employment. I suspect most of my recycling ends up in land fill in China, but I still recycle. But I am that sort of bloke. What about people who aren't?.

What about folk getting on a crowded train and coughing into the fresh air (not even a hand up) like the young tosser did on my train to work yesterday. The bloke sitting next to him moved his seat. Nobody said anything. Some people glared but there wasn't even any tutting. Mind you the cougher in question was young, black, wearing traccy bottoms, mad-looking and listening to unlistenable shit on his phone, in 'speaker phone' mode.

Would an Italian style shutdown keep that sort of prat off the streets? Maybe. If the police were armed.

I don't think there are only two options - do nothing or lock everyone down. Personally I prefer my solution - take whatever precautions you can reasonably take, maximising these if you are in a high risk (of death) group, but otherwise carry on as normal.

”Delay” is nothing to do with making time for a vaccine or reducing the number of people infected.

 

[Wozza]

I was confused by the increase to 382 this morning as I believed 2pm was the daily announcement schedule

Me too.

373 is still the official figure on this: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14