Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Biscuit]

A lot of fuss over Coronavirus.

In the meantime, we're sleepwalking toward antibiotic resistance. That'll result in 10 million currently preventable deaths a year by 2050.

 

[DumLum]

Which of course is far more important than their health!!

The question was why don't people self isolate now if they are that worried.
Not everyone has money in the bank and they have to pay for food with wages. Food is essential for good health I believe.

 

[MJsGhost]

Unless someone has invented time travel it is physically impossible to vaccinate against a flu strain that hasn’t occurred yet. To male the vaccine you need to have access to the strain you are immunising against. The race is now on to have a vaccine ready for next winter as this strain will still be around for the foreseeable future. As a nation we do not have the ability to generate our own vaccine so don’t hold your breath.

In years where the flu has been more of an issue is normally down to the strain not being covered by the vaccine that was given. Some years they include more than one vaccine, also the vaccine action last for ten years.

The above is from a conversation with a gp friend. I may have misunderstood, it is not FACT.


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This is a good article on flu vaccines https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/24/endless-hunt-for-the-perfect-influenza-vaccine-flu-jab

Mrs MJsGhost is involved in the reporting process that leads to the calculation of the effectiveness of flu vaccines when they are used every year. There is a lot of variance on the efficacy year-to-year as a lot of it is based on (highly educated) guesswork on which strains to include in the vaccine (and even if they pick the right ones, they often mutate, reducing the effectiveness). Just going from memory here, but I think the flu vaccine a couple of years ago was reported as having an efficacy rate of 10% or maybe 15%, which was pretty low

 

[southstandandy]

Peter Rabbit 2 - now delayed until August. Holy smokes, things must be bad.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

This is such a sad situation for Italy now.

and us in 14 days

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Peter Rabbit 2 - now delayed until August. Holy smokes, things must be bad.

I mean FFS, it's not myxomatosis

 

[Is it PotG?]

and us in 14 days

Sauce?

 

[AZ Gull]

Are you able to break that down though, genuinely? I am curious about the profile, I've not been able to find it anywhere. The numbers are well reported, but the demographics don't appear to be unless I'm looking in the wrong places. To be clear, I'm not being sarcastic - I am genuinely interested.

If they're all already unwell people in their 70s/80s then that should be made much clearer to quieten down people like me who think that the media are enjoying this far too much and reporting on it far too keenly. If the demographics of the folks sadly dying is anything else, then that's a story which warrants more serious attention and coverage.

Couple of articles here (although one is behind a paywall, I think):-

Who is getting sick, and how sick? A breakdown of coronavirus risk by demographic factors

coronavirus-is-mysteriously-sparing-kids-killing-elderly-understanding-why-may-help-defeat-virus

 

[Nobby]

Confront them? I wouldn't bother... just ask them to make sure they are stockpiling condoms as well

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[MJsGhost]

A lot of fuss over Coronavirus.

In the meantime, we're sleepwalking toward antibiotic resistance. That'll result in 10 million currently preventable deaths a year by 2050.

http://news.mit.edu/2020/artificial-intelligence-identifies-new-antibiotic-0220

Whilst antibiotic resistance is a very real problem that should (and is - check out the link) being tackled, there's no reason to stop trying to prevent the deaths that will be occurring in the next few months because of something that might (will?) happen by 2050.

Whataboutery at its finest!

 

[DumLum]

Sauce?

The Bleeding Obvious.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The Bleeding Obvious.

Ok then, just checking it was based on fact and not a bloke down the pub.

 

[DumLum]

Ok then, just checking it was based on fact and not a bloke down the pub.

We now have more case than italy did 14 days ago.

 

[The Clamp]

The question was why don't people self isolate now if they are that worried.
Not everyone has money in the bank and they have to pay for food with wages. Food is essential for good health I believe.

I think it’s vital that we start to self isolate. Look at Italy, if we don’t start restricting our movement now we are going to be in real, real trouble. Honestly the consequences don’t bear thinking about. We need action now. We must start isolating.

Okay. Why don’t you self isolate?


Oh no, I can’t do that. I’ve got a life to lead.




Bit silly really.

 

[peterward]

Roughly the same number of new cases for the past three or four days. Either the country is doing something right in terms of containment or it's just a positive looking blip in the data. Shouldn't we expect a faster increase in the number of new infections assuming each new case has passed it on to at least a couple of others?

Contact tracing and testing is right. 3 things though, that's those who've been identified it wont be everyone, each of those people would've caught this 5-7 days ago on average and have been silently virus shedding all around without realising it, the door is wide open to countries with worse states than ours.

It is encouraging to a degree and better than many places, but it was much less than 20 a day a week ago, with our very best efforts this past 6 days from March 4th, when we were on 87, we have had over a 300% (330% to be precise) increase in infections and each of those identified has been spreading to others not yet realising it.

If that 300%+ linear trend per week continues, everything else staying the same, it would be 1650 in a week, 7000 the week after. Lets hope it doesn't

 

[aftershavedave]

I think it’s vital that we start to self isolate. Look at Italy, if we don’t start restricting our movement now we are going to be in real, real trouble. Honestly the consequences don’t bear thinking about. We need action now. We must start isolating.

Okay. Why don’t you self isolate?


Oh no, I can’t do that. I’ve got a life to lead.




Bit silly really.

i'm guessing that the "life to lead" bit is more through imperative than choice. i get you both.

 

[The Clamp]

i'm guessing that the "life to lead" bit is more through imperative than choice. i get you both.

Of course we all have lives to lead but something is either vital or it’s not. It can’t be a bit vital. Or vital for others but not for some.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think it’s vital that we start to self isolate. Look at Italy, if we don’t start restricting our movement now we are going to be in real, real trouble. Honestly the consequences don’t bear thinking about. We need action now. We must start isolating.

Okay. Why don’t you self isolate?


Oh no, I can’t do that. I’ve got a life to lead.




Bit silly really.

Spot on.

If you're worried, wrap yourself up in cotton wool and take the consequences. Or is it just everyone else that has to make a sacrifice? I'm not worried (I think we've covered that) but, if asked by the government to work from home or take time off or miss out on a marathon I've spent a year training for or not progress good sales leads for my company or not roar my team to victory and another season in the PL I'll reluctantly do it. I have a 20th wedding anniversary holiday coming up in May but it's insured so if I have to miss out on that to save lives, fair enough, I'm insured.

But don't come on here panicking about how little is being done and then say you can't possibly do anything yourself.

 

[DumLum]

Of course we all have lives to lead but something is either vital or it’s not. It can’t be a bit vital. Or vital for others but not for some.

I think it's vital we all self isolate soon. I also believe it is vital some people are helped financially through this time.

 

[The Clamp]

Spot on.

If you're worried, wrap yourself up in cotton wool and take the consequences. Or is it just everyone else that has to make a sacrifice? I'm not worried (I think we've covered that) but, if asked by the government to work from home or take time off or miss out on a marathon I've spent a year training for or not progress good sales leads for my company or not roar my team to victory and another season in the PL I'll reluctantly do it. I have a 20th wedding anniversary holiday coming up in May but it's insured so if I have to miss out on that to save lives, fair enough, I'm insured.

But don't come on here panicking about how little is being done and then say you can't possibly do anything yourself.

Exactly.
I’ll be going into work whatever occurs , no choice. And I’m quite glad of that too. I don’t like taking time off sick.