Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Deleted member 22389]

Is their genuinely nothing to worry about here? Are we not being given the full picture on how bad this new virus might actually be. Why the bloody hell are we still allowing flights in from China.

 

[Soylent Blue]

Is their genuinely nothing to worry about here? Are we not being given the full picture on how bad this new virus might actually be. Why the bloody hell are we still allowing flights in from China.

It has an incubation period of up to 2 weeks before symptoms show and during that time is also highly contagious. The news showed returnees being ferried in busses to quarantine with drivers not wearing hazmat suits and stating they would self quarantine, this is madness.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Anyone spouting this line or various types of "its just flu" needs to sort their head out.

Non-peer reviewed data from the Chinese Acadamy suggests an R0 rate of infection as roughly 3.3 to 4.7 with a 95% confidence interval, or 4.08. 2.5 is considered a pandemic.

Also a fatality rate similar to SARS at 6.5%.

There is a lot of competing data atm and i'm trying to stay on top of it. The rate of complications is roughly 20%, that is those needing hospital treatment, this will over whelm countries with poor health services and/or poor organisation. This could be a disaster for africa which has revealed about 20 cases across 4 countries in the last 24 hours.

The only way to stop it is close boarders and quarantine people coming through, this is only feasable in homogonous countries which have lower levels of transit.

Countries are endulging in pacifying their populaces like spraying passangers with water in Indonesia or promoting homopathy as a cure in India, or straight up denial like the UK.

havn't watched this yet, but this chap looks clued up imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRJD8ZxDLk



This needs updating.
https://wuflu.live/

You haven't watched this yet but this chap looks clued up in your opinion? You can give an opinion on something you haven't seen?

I don't think I need to sort my head out thank you especially from someone who can form an opinion on something they haven't even seen.

The quote from brighton bluenose in my signature has never been so right.

 

[dazzer6666]

It has an incubation period of up to 2 weeks before symptoms show and during that time is also highly contagious. The news showed returnees being ferried in busses to quarantine with drivers not wearing hazmat suits and stating they would self quarantine, this is madness.

....not as mad as some of the repatriation flights where people already showing symptoms were put in a different part of the plane’........

Anyway, travelling home from Thailand via Hong Kong at the weekend, so that’s me buggered.

 

[Blue3]

This virus has the potential to be very serious radio 4 yesterday they had an interview with a British teacher working in the city of Wuhan contracted who apparently has had the virus he gave a description of it symptoms he said there were four distinct stages.
1, It started as a cold for a few days
2, The cold developed after three days into proper flu type symptoms
3, The flu after a further four days developed breathing problems it was at this point he felt so unwell he went to hospital where he was diagnosed with pneumonia and kept in for two days before being sent home with medication
4, This infection then took a further two weeks to pass and for the teacher to recover

Asked if he intended returning to the UK in light of the out brake he said no that since having had the virus he hopes that his own antibodies will provide future protection he was quite upbeat and said at no time did he think his life was in danger but he did say he was genually fit and well with no underlying conditions.

He also explained what life is like in Wuhan at the moment he said it's a ghost town no one one the streets no one goes out unless to buy food he said most people have brought stocks of food and are living off those stocks

 

[Solid at the back]

Absolutely ridiculous that the borders are still open. This is suicide, why is ur government not acknowledging the seriousness of this?

 

[Blue3]

Cough and cold. In quarantine but feels better and has put it down to the stress of the situation. He is being tested and so is waiting for the results. Source: bbc news website

For some perspective, in 2018, 80,000 people world wide died of normal annual flu ..... source: Centre for disease Control and a Prevention.

Mortality rate is 2-3%. SARS was 9-10%. If gets on par with SARS the. Things could become interesting.


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It appears that the Corona virus is far more contagious than SARS so while the death rate is lower the sheer numbers of potential sufferers may easily exceed the total numbers of deaths from SARS

Flu as others have said kills as many as 500,000 in a normal year world wide and as the Corona Virus has a stage that is very flu like the total numbers of deaths attributed to flu may increase this year and as such mask the true numbers of deaths from Corona Virus

 

[Blue3]

It has an incubation period of up to 2 weeks before symptoms show and during that time is also highly contagious. The news showed returnees being ferried in busses to quarantine with drivers not wearing hazmat suits and stating they would self quarantine, this is madness.

The news report showing the busses pulling away with the returnees who all were wearing masks and sitting next to the drivers were medical staff in full chem suits while the drivers were in company regulation shirt smart trousers and tank top!
The report said the busses were to undergo a military grade deep clean while the drivers went home and were told to stay home for two weeks!

This is either a risk or no risk situation which needs clear information to be heard and seen but what this achieved was to send a very confused message

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Absolutely ridiculous that the borders are still open. This is suicide, why is ur government not acknowledging the seriousness of this?

We are being told the risk is very low here, just wash your hands, yeah right. The more I see of what's going on China, the more I and many other people start worrying.
If we end up getting an outbreak here I will be pissed off. We should have stopped accepting flights from China over a week ago. The US and Australia have done it, why haven't we.

 

[Solid at the back]

We are being told the risk is very low here, just wash your hands, yeah right. The more I see of what's going on China, the more I and many other people start worrying.
If we end up getting an outbreak here I will be pissed off. We should have stopped accepting flights from China over a week ago. The US and Australia have done it, why haven't we.

We will have an outbreak here, there is already thousands of people infected going about their business, spreading this around without realising.

I also read that the health sec said that if the situation gets much more serious, we have 50 specialist beds and a further 500 beds for isolation. What's that going to do? I'm fuming, borders had to be closed weeks ago and everyone should have a curfew for the next month to keep this under control.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

We will have an outbreak here, there is already thousands of people infected going about their business, spreading this around without realising.

I also read that the health sec said that if the situation gets much more serious, we have 50 specialist beds and a further 500 beds for isolation. What's that going to do? I'm fuming, borders had to be closed weeks ago and everyone should have a curfew for the next month to keep this under control.

Pretty much spot on.

 

[Palacefinder General]

This chap went to Seaford Head School, was never in top sets, failed his A Levels after some mediocre GCSE results and showed no signs of being anything in life. Just shows you what some drive, persistence and determination can do.

https://news.sky.com/video/microbiologist-on-coronavirus-risk-and-its-lifespan-11923385

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Facts from the NHS.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#situation-in-the-uk

As of 3 February, a total of 326 UK tests have concluded, of which 324 were confirmed negative and 2 positive.

1,466 passengers and 95 staff arrived in the UK on direct flights from Wuhan, China between 10 and 24 January.

162 of the passengers have already left the UK
53 of the crew have already left the UK
1107 are now outside of the incubation period

 

[BBassic]

Facts from the NHS.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#situation-in-the-uk

As of 3 February, a total of 326 UK tests have concluded, of which 324 were confirmed negative and 2 positive.

1,466 passengers and 95 staff arrived in the UK on direct flights from Wuhan, China between 10 and 24 January.

162 of the passengers have already left the UK
53 of the crew have already left the UK
1107 are now outside of the incubation period

Shhhh! You're getting in the way of a good old fashioned bout of manic hysteria.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

So it's true? The Wuhan clan ain't nuthing ta **** wit.

 

[seagullsslimjim]

A new study suggests that official figures for the scale of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak have been far too low.

The study, published in the prestigious Lancet journal, projected that as of January 25, there were 75,815 people infected in Wuhan. At the time the official figure was 761.

The study also projected that the epidemic will double in size every 6.4 days.

It dismissed a lockdown in Wuhan as "negligible," since the virus had already spread by the time it was implemented.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuh...ng-every-64-days-lancet-says-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

 

[beorhthelm]

This virus has the potential to be very serious radio 4 yesterday they had an interview with a British teacher working in the city of Wuhan contracted who apparently has had the virus he gave a description of it symptoms he said there were four distinct stages.

on other hand, a study of a German with the virus described him having 3 days off with cold like symptoms, then back to work. i get the impression its treatment or follow on infections that do people. also deaths have nearly all been in the original province, 2 ordrs magnitude higher death rate than in nearby provinces.

 

[peterward]

....not as mad as some of the repatriation flights where people already showing symptoms were put in a different part of the plane’........

Anyway, travelling home from Thailand via Hong Kong at the weekend, so that’s me buggered.

Wear a face mask m8 and don't worry if you look a prat, better safe.. and keep some anti bacterial handwash close and use often. I read that aircraft cabin air is a mixture of new air and old cabin air (full of everybody's exhalation being recycled around the cabin). If someone's got it, their exhaled breath is going to be pushed about.

Got the family ski trip in Feb to Austria, Def going to wear a mask from airport to airport until in hire car. If someone gives the funny looks I don't care. Air China still flying twice daily direct as are other airlines. There's going to be silent spreaders who don't realise it and more so in major airports.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wear a face mask m8 and don't worry if you look a prat, better safe.. and keep some anti bacterial handwash close and use often. I read that aircraft cabin air is a mixture of new air and old cabin air (full of everybody's exhalation being recycled around the cabin). If someone's got it, their exhaled breath is going to be pushed about.

Got the family ski trip in Feb to Austria, Def going to wear a mask from airport to airport until in hire car. If someone gives the funny looks I don't care. Air China still flying twice daily direct as are other airlines. There's going to be silent spreaders who don't realise it and more so in major airports.

Doctors & health workers wear masks to stop them passing on their germs by droplet infection. It does nothing to stop you catching anything. Wash your hands frequently, and don’t tough your eyes, mouth or nose.

 

[Easy 10]

Guy on the right has nailed it.