Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[LamieRobertson]

Pre-print studies, not peer reviewed.

…oh but ..but

 

[Solid at the back]

Well - nearly made it to 2 years since it first really kicked off but not to be. Tested on the off chance as someone at work had it and the line couldn't come up quick enough. Finishes off the weekend perfectly.

Same here. Tested positive last night after having a meeting with someone who later tested positive on Thursday. Had a head ache yesterday, bit of a tickly throat and runny nose so far. Supposed to be goigg away Monday, so we'll see.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Same here. Tested positive last night after having a meeting with someone who later tested positive on Thursday. Had a head ache yesterday, bit of a tickly throat and runny nose so far. Supposed to be goigg away Monday, so we'll see.

I'm sure I picked it up whilst I had a cold so don't know if the awful cough is that or not. Every muscle in my back, chest and sides is shot so really painful when I cough but I have had similar years ago when a sinus infection goes to my chest. Suppose it doesn't make much difference where the symptoms come from but not fun. Woke myself up a few times trying to cough but my muscles not allowing it properly so felt a bit breathless - not pleasant.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Eurghhhhh. Bored of it now The only upside is I can use up the jar of wrong coffee I bought as it all tastes the same.

 

[Solid at the back]

Eurghhhhh. Bored of it now The only upside is I can use up the jar of wrong coffee I bought as it all tastes the same.

My runny nose and tickly throat stopped pretty quickly, have an on/off chesty cough with an occasional head ache that goes away with paracetamol. Was hoping I'd test negative later today or tomorrow. Mrs and boy are still negative

 

[Dick Swiveller]

My runny nose and tickly throat stopped pretty quickly, have an on/off chesty cough with an occasional head ache that goes away with paracetamol. Was hoping I'd test negative later today or tomorrow. Mrs and boy are still negative

Just done my test for the day and for the third day running, it is a faint line. Really wanted to go shopping today - don't really need anything but stir crazy. Wait until tomorrow though, I guess. Mrs Swiveller 3 days in with tickly cough. (Any rumours that her cough is another reason I wanted to escape today are scurrilous )

 

[Dick Swiveller]

 

[vegster]

I notice we don't seem to announcing case numbers at weekend's any more ....if its not being recorded are we just ignoring it now?

 

[Weststander]

THE key metric, wider Europe has this under control.



Who’s questioning the lifting of restrictions now? The correct, early call by several governments.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I notice we don't seem to announcing case numbers at weekend's any more ....if its not being recorded are we just ignoring it now?

Numbers are released on Monday for the weekend in one lump.

So it’s not being ignored.

 

[Springal]

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Makes you sick really doesn’t it

 

[dsr-burnley]

Makes you sick really doesn’t it

It doesn't make me sick.

There are one batch of government critics saying they didn't act fast enough to get PPE and should have bought it quicker; there is another batch who say they moved too fast and they shouldn't have bypassed normal procurement rules. I'm not sure how far into the former group I sit, but I certainly don't sit with the latter group. They bought stuff in a hurry, they didn't do the normal checks because of the rush to get stuff in urgently, it is inevitable that there would be waste.

 

[Springal]

It doesn't make me sick.

There are one batch of government critics saying they didn't act fast enough to get PPE and should have bought it quicker; there is another batch who say they moved too fast and they shouldn't have bypassed normal procurement rules. I'm not sure how far into the former group I sit, but I certainly don't sit with the latter group.

Huge waste of money. Imagine what could have been done with that ?

Buying PPE isn't a new thing. When people who do so on a daily basis within the NHS are over ruled and have their job taken away from them by central government departments, who do not even attempt to contact existing / established suppliers and then we find out there is flagrant abuse of powers by buying PPE from companies with no experience or track record in this space is negligent, no - fraudulent. And worst still even when we know we bought out of date / fake / not certified PPE we do not even attempt to reclaim the money paid out.

If you worked for a listed company and behaved in this manner, you'd end up in jail.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Huge waste of money. Imagine what could have been done with that ?

Buying PPE isn't a new thing. When people who do so on a daily basis within the NHS are over ruled and have their job taken away from them by central government departments, who do not even attempt to contact existing / established suppliers and then we find out there is flagrant abuse of powers by buying PPE from companies with no experience or track record in this space is negligent, no - fraudulent. And worst still even when we know we bought out of date / fake / not certified PPE we do not even attempt to reclaim the money paid out.

If you worked for a listed company and behaved in this manner, you'd end up in jail.

Your link suggested you were objecting to the burning of the useless stuff. If you're objecting to the procurement process, then have you got a link for that so that we can have a proper discussion?

 

[Springal]

Your link suggested you were objecting to the burning of the useless stuff. If you're objecting to the procurement process, then have you got a link for that so that we can have a proper discussion?

I'm astounded we are having to burn 15,000 pallets of the stuff.

I detailed experience in this thread in summer 2020 of a family member who was put on a taskforce centrally within the NHS to procure PPE in this thread early on in the pandemic. Her team only managed to secure 1 deal in 6 months as the government simply refused to approve anything and made little attempt to engage with existing suppliers.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I'm astounded we are having to burn 15,000 pallets of the stuff.

I detailed experience in this thread in summer 2020 of a family member who was put on a taskforce centrally within the NHS to procure PPE in this thread early on in the pandemic. Her team only managed to secure 1 deal in 6 months as the government simply refused to approve anything and made little attempt to engage with existing suppliers.

And that's what I want to hear proper evidence for. Was it deliberate government policy to squash deals, or was the civil service working all it knew to get deals but Hancock was squashing them all along, or was it government policy to get anything from anywhere and the civil service was too useless to do it? And for that matter, what was the scale of the problem. What percentage of PPE was useless, what percentage was overpriced based on the market as it then stood (Jo Maugham's complaint about being more expensive than normal being foolish - of course it was more expensive), what proportion came from people the ministers knew, what would have been the fair proportion from people the ministers knew.

 

[beorhthelm]

...What percentage of PPE was useless, what percentage was overpriced based on the market as it then stood (Jo Maugham's complaint about being more expensive than normal being foolish - of course it was more expensive), what proportion came from people the ministers knew, what would have been the fair proportion from people the ministers knew.

2% is a number ive heard, which is suprisingly modest and may depend on qualification of useless. a lot was "expired" too. amount overpriced probably never known, difficult to qualify as you expect some price movement when the world increased demand 10-fold.

 

[nicko31]

It doesn't make me sick.

There are one batch of government critics saying they didn't act fast enough to get PPE and should have bought it quicker; there is another batch who say they moved too fast and they shouldn't have bypassed normal procurement rules. I'm not sure how far into the former group I sit, but I certainly don't sit with the latter group. They bought stuff in a hurry, they didn't do the normal checks because of the rush to get stuff in urgently, it is inevitable that there would be waste.

Didn't do the normal checks?

UK Gov refused to engage with existing approved NHS approved vendors, they couldn't even get phone calls returned.

Anyway, with all the shit in Ukraine going on its a great time for a bonfire and hopefully no one will ever talk about this again

The hard reality is the NI tax rise goes ahead next month, cronyism comes at a price...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I never stopped

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[Fat Boy Fat]

I never stopped

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Me neither, but my 6.30am visit to Asda says otherwise for the staff and general public!