Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[dsr-burnley]

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I can see why you're worried. In the first 6 months of 2020, there were only 243,000 confirmed cases of coroanvirus in England, and over 60,000 of them died. That's 1 in 4. If that ratio is repeated for the December cases, then there will be over 500,000 coronavirus deaths in England next month. We need to act now to stop this happening.

Or perhaps, rather than panic panic panic, should we perhaps consider that other factors may be in play? I think it's perhaps a shame that the lockdown fanatics don't have room to put a fuller analysis of data down on their tweets. We might think it relevant, for example, to point out that although cases in December have more than doubled in number, that the number of people on ventilation has fallen from 806 to 771. I presume that it was only shortage of space that presents that stat being posted, rather than a wish to cherry pick statistics to support a particular agenda?

 

[LamieRobertson]

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You are desperate if you are quoting her

 

[Yoda]

Around 80% of English hospital admissions with coronavirus are admitted for other reasons. This is not the same disease we were seeing a year ago.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...hould-treated-caution-many-patients-admitted/

Treat data with caution, say experts, as situation in hospitals during omicron wave is different to ‘horrific scenes’ of a year ago

Just one fifth of the weekly rise in Covid inpatients was caused by people admitted to hospital because of the virus, figures suggest.

The most up-to-date NHS data show that on December 21, there were 6,245 beds occupied by coronavirus patients in English hospitals - an increase of 259 from the previous week.

But within that increase, just 45 patients were admitted because of the virus, with the remaining 214 in hospital for other conditions but having also tested positive - so called “incidental Covid” admissions.

Critics of the data say it is wrong to include incidental figures in the daily updates of admissions and patient totals, as they can include someone with a broken leg who has just also tested positive on admission, but may be completely asymptomatic.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Around 80% of English hospital admissions with coronavirus are admitted for other reasons. This is not the same disease we were seeing a year ago.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...hould-treated-caution-many-patients-admitted/

Treat data with caution, say experts, as situation in hospitals during omicron wave is different to ‘horrific scenes’ of a year ago

Just one fifth of the weekly rise in Covid inpatients was caused by people admitted to hospital because of the virus, figures suggest.

The most up-to-date NHS data show that on December 21, there were 6,245 beds occupied by coronavirus patients in English hospitals - an increase of 259 from the previous week.

But within that increase, just 45 patients were admitted because of the virus, with the remaining 214 in hospital for other conditions but having also tested positive - so called “incidental Covid” admissions.

Critics of the data say it is wrong to include incidental figures in the daily updates of admissions and patient totals, as they can include someone with a broken leg who has just also tested positive on admission, but may be completely asymptomatic.

That's an abuse of statistics IMO. Even though would like it to be true..

The increase of 259 in the number of occupied beds is not brought about by 259 new admissions. It's brought about by a combination of three numbers - 1, new admissions; 2, discharges for whatever reason' 3, people who caught it in hospital. The three numbers combined can't be simplified like the report suggests. It would be very interesting to see the actual figures, if they have been collected.

 

[The Clamp]

183,037 (one hundred and eighty three thousand and thirty seven) new cases, staggering.

Calm down, Pike. It's the delayed Christmas data. Go and get yourself a nice beef and horseradish sandwich at the Morrison's cafe and have a little break from your worrying.

It was bound to happen, lots of people moving around at Christmas time. Students back from uni etc. It'll calm down in the New Year. Is there a celebrity version of a quiz show on you could watch, to calm your nerves? What about The Chase? You like that one.

 

[Billy the Fish]

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Deepti is brilliant.

Her twitter provides me much entertainment! The looniest of the loons. The sycophantic replies are incredible

 

[dazzer6666]

183,037 (one hundred and eighty three thousand and thirty seven) new cases, staggering.

Thought Ferguson said it would be a 1,000,000 (one million) a day by Christmas ? Staggering it’s not higher ?

Still only modest increases in admissions relative to infection numbers, hospital stays much shorter, fewer (less, not as many) people on ventilation. Natural immunity increasing as so many people are infected with this hopefully much milder strain. Calculated risk of allowing it to spread vs risks associated with further (quite possibly unnecessary) damaging restrictions.

 

[loz]

Deepti is brilliant.

Her twitter provides me much entertainment! The looniest of the loons. The sycophantic replies are incredible

The thing that gets me is the amount of people who want lockdowns, I mean do they not work or go out, have children at school or kids who have to work and earn money to pay mortgages.

Are they happy for our children/ grandchildren to pay for this for years to come, I really don’t get it.

Lockdown early 2020 was needed as no one knew how bad it was going to get but once the vaccine was out and we could see the demographic of sick and dying they should have been protected and the rest of us allowed to live our lives.

Repeating lockdowns are so wrong for many reasons, if the NHS after 2 years cannot cope it really should take a long hard look at its self. It hurts to say that as a life long pinko lefty.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Repeating lockdowns are so wrong for many reasons, if the NHS after 2 years cannot cope it really should take a long hard look at its self. It hurts to say that as a life long pinko lefty.

Not to mention that if we fund another round of small business support and furlough then we can't use that money to strengthen the NHS for this or the next pandemic and the debt snowballs.

As a counter, though, it's disappointing that the most hard line anti-lockdown crew are also those who won't wear a mask or get jabbed. Taking basic precautions for the sake of others will eventually make the pro-lockdown argument completely redundant.

 

[Weststander]

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She’s a crazed England doom-monger.

In November when several European nations were really suffering, Nicky Campbell had her on as a guest on his morning phone in. She talked non stop without breathing in a ridiculously long monologue on how currently England was the basket case of Covid in “all of Europe”. Which was factually incorrect then and historically.

Gentle Nicky Campbell only briefly challenged her. He should’ve have had numbers in front of him.

Her obsession is full lockdowns, with schools and universities closed ad infinitum, and mask wearing.

Even in November, she was spitting hate that “Johnson” had allowed England to open up in summer 2021.

She lives in a parallel universe where government borrowing should be far greater, kids and students wouldn’t meet their peers or teachers, mental health is an irrelevant side issue.

 

[beorhthelm]

Repeating lockdowns are so wrong for many reasons, if the NHS after 2 years cannot cope it really should take a long hard look at its self. It hurts to say that as a life long pinko lefty.

NHS has had time and billions to sort out contingency plans. seem to have been squandered. while in spring 2020 student nurses were fasttracked to complete, bank staff put on standby. no such urgency in 2021 as i've been told, everything business as usual at the front, except of course it isnt. or its all in hand and we just dont hear about it.

 

[Billy the Fish]

She’s a crazed England doom-monger.

In November when several European nations were really suffering, Nicky Campbell had her on as a guest on his morning phone in. She talked non stop without breathing in a ridiculously long monologue on how currently England was the basket case of Covid in “all of Europe”. Which was factually incorrect then and historically.

Gentle Nicky Campbell only briefly challenged her. He should’ve have had numbers in front of him.

Her obsession is full lockdowns, with schools and universities closed ad infinitum, and mask wearing.

Even in November, she was spitting hate that “Johnson” had allowed England to open up in summer 2021.

She lives in a parallel universe where government borrowing should be far greater, kids and students wouldn’t meet their peers or teachers, mental health is an irrelevant side issue.

I think interviewers know to only challenge her if they're prepared to deal with her in all out attack mode! She's the Terminator of covid Twitter - can't be reasoned with, can't be bargained with. She doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear and she absolutely will not stop. Ever.

You just have to sit back and admire it!

She's spent the last two weeks rubbishing any suggestion that Omicron is milder and is still doing it despite the mountain of evidence.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

She’s a crazed England doom-monger.

In November when several European nations were really suffering, Nicky Campbell had her on as a guest on his morning phone in. She talked non stop without breathing in a ridiculously long monologue on how currently England was the basket case of Covid in “all of Europe”. Which was factually incorrect then and historically.

Gentle Nicky Campbell only briefly challenged her. He should’ve have had numbers in front of him.

Her obsession is full lockdowns, with schools and universities closed ad infinitum, and mask wearing.

Even in November, she was spitting hate that “Johnson” had allowed England to open up in summer 2021.

She lives in a parallel universe where government borrowing should be far greater, kids and students wouldn’t meet their peers or teachers, mental health is an irrelevant side issue.

The fact she suggests the Gov have done nothing is quite laughable really.

Massive up take in Vaccines and Boosters and her plan B she has been bleating on about since July, whilst quoting France and Germany as the way to go - who rather cleverly pushed their delta wave into the winter.

 

[atomised]

You are desperate if you are quoting her

She blocked me on twitter for disagreeing with her

 

[LamieRobertson]

She blocked me on twitter for disagreeing with her

Likewise ..the cult of Deepti

 

[Weststander]

The fact she suggests the Gov have done nothing is quite laughable really.

Massive up take in Vaccines and Boosters and her plan B she has been bleating on about since July, whilst quoting France and Germany as the way to go - who rather cleverly pushed their delta wave into the winter.

One of her many hysterical angles is that "England" (note ... rarely the UK, Europe, developed world, planet earth ...... anyone would think she's party politicised ), relies too heavily on vaccines.

WTF.

Whether it be Smallpox, Covid, Polio, Influenza - they are THE saver of lives, livelihoods and truly living a life.

 

[Weststander]

Likewise ..the cult of Deepti

Check, you've made one misspell.

 

[The Wizard]

All still good in my household, the initial grinch who stole Christmas (and new year) is now testing negative on LTF tests, other older relative still just has aches and pains, most in the back.

I still have no symptoms at all.

 

[Seasider78]

Looks like the systems are crippling under the pressure no PCRs this morning now they have home kits but the email confirmation system to complete the order is not working.

Means the reported daily cases are going to be a lot lower than actuals without the data the tests generate

 

[e77]

NHS has had time and billions to sort out contingency plans. seem to have been squandered. while in spring 2020 student nurses were fasttracked to complete, bank staff put on standby. no such urgency in 2021 as i've been told, everything business as usual at the front, except of course it isnt. or its all in hand and we just dont hear about it.

Must confess I thought the one organisation who are fairly blameless in all this are the NHS but that's me.