Unfortunately, I suspect we're about to see that many people interpret "personal responsibility" as "I'll do exactly what I want, **** everyone else."
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Unfortunately, I suspect we're about to see that many people interpret "personal responsibility" as "I'll do exactly what I want, **** everyone else."
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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This is the point. Already plenty feel the rules do not apply to them for some reason.
crodonilson
He/Him
They haven't been rapidly rising (or rising at all) for 5 days now - infection numbers have been more or less stable, and we still have another two weeks before Freedom Day. As I understand isolation is likely to be dispensed with for anyone double-jabbed (which includes the vast majority of NHS workers).
How does someone that has been double-jabbed become 'highly likely' to catch CovidWould be interesting to see where you've read this - please post link. Tks.
Sorry, I chose my words poorly when I said highly likely but what I meant was that people in healthcare environments will be much more likely to come unto contact with and contract Covid, jabbed or not and the more cases in circulation the more likely they are to get covid and for a doctor or a nurse I can't believe if they test positive they will be allowed to continue to work, at best they will need to test daily until they provide a negative result, this could mean many healthcare professionals off work when hospitalisations are increasing and the NHS are trying to clear up a huge backlog of other issues.
The cases over the last few days are looking better but we had this last weekend and then suddenly cases jumped from 14,000 to 21,000, the weekly increase is still very high. Let's hope it is a genuine plateau of cases and we can have more confidence about the releasing of restrictions because doing it on rapidly increasing cases whilst measures are in place is a very dangerous game. I certainly think if the distancing rules are in place we need other mitigation measures until cases are decreasing.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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I’m no fan of this government (I definitely no you aren’t Veggie) or any party for that matter but isn’t what Javid said as good as what Whitty said
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....earn-to-live-with-covid-in-similar-way-to-flu
The headline is slightly misleading ..but in that interview he did say manage like flu
In the article( it's 3 months old btw ) he also says that " The relaxation of Covid restrictions was likely to result in the R number rising above 1 and the risk of variants gaining a foothold and spreading increasing." which is pretty much where we are again now sadly.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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18 mths i wouldnt have been confident of being safe on public transport with an immune deficiency. you have n+1 disease of concern now.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Yes I noticed it was three months old..but would suggest that he hadn’t said anything to the contrary and as you say he talked about the risks ..but that didn’t alter his opinion on the wider aspect of life and reasoning of how covid would come to be treated
The reason being that any rules or regulations or laws that are not policed and enforced are pretty much a complete waste of time. Those that ignore the rules know they aren't going to be sanctioned.
Add into the mix the shopping list of exemptions that was presented on a silver platter to the mask dodgers (and who knows how many people contracted the virus and died because of the selfishness of the mask dodgers) and you have a complete and utter shambles.
From day one I was never convinced by the supposed efficacy of masks and I've not seen any "science" proving what impact masks had on reducing transmission. But the law is the law and I have worn one where and when it is required.
But it's no different to riding pushbikes and scooters on the pavement. The law says it is illegal but the police have decided that they are not going to enforce that particular law (yes, I have it in writing!!) so an ever increasing number of numpties are doing it.
......which is partly why we've had to wait until a majority of the adult population have been double jabbed before relaxing things and stopping it being a rule (accepting there will always be those that will break them - same with any other law - we wouldn't need police if everyone complied with everything). Anyway, we shouldn't need mask/distancing going forward due to vaccine efficacy and anything individuals do to contribute to even less spread (wfh, mask wearing, washing their hands more regularly etc) will be useful.
It's a shame we as a population needed to be forced - but then again watch how many blokes take a piss on a matchday and don't wash their hands afterwards - and then probably go straight to the kiosk to buy food and drink. It's probably many of the same ones that are wittering on about the Gov relaxing things too early
darkwolf666
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......which is partly why we've had to wait until a majority of the adult population have been double jabbed before relaxing things and stopping it being a rule (accepting there will always be those that will break them - same with any other law - we wouldn't need police if everyone complied with everything). Anyway, we shouldn't need mask/distancing going forward due to vaccine efficacy and anything individuals do to contribute to even less spread (wfh, mask wearing, washing their hands more regularly etc) will be useful.
It's a shame we as a population needed to be forced - but then again watch how many blokes take a piss on a matchday and don't wash their hands afterwards - and then probably go straight to the kiosk to buy food and drink. It's probably many of the same ones that are wittering on about the Gov relaxing things too early
It's a shame you had to use a disparaging turn of phrase there, was quietly nodding in agreement until you decided to lump all those concerned for their and their loved ones into some sub section of society!
Apologies- no offence intended. Bad choice of word.
As predicted everything but isolation gone which is being looked up
Update on schools and travel this week
Media desperate for more lockdown
Update on schools and travel this week
Media desperate for more lockdown
You could tell someone had a word with Johnson about his "wearing a mask" answer when he had to go back to it with a more sensible answer after basically admitting he wouldn't bother in his first go
darkwolf666
Well-known member
Apology accepted...
Media reporting changes confirmed in relation to events etc but final decision on them going ahead will be made next monday
Super Steve Earle
Well-known member
I'm not wittering, but I'm not happy! How easy would it have been to continue with 1m Social Distancing where possible and particularly in shops, and compulsory masks in shops and public transport. I would have been happy with that. I'm not happy with this. I feel it's a blunder in similar proportion to not closing borders with India when 1000s were dying on their streets. I'll be doing masks and distancing regardless, though it does more for others than me. But I'm happier keeping my distance and feel safer behind a mask. I don't see how this opens up holidays abroad because when 50% of the vaccinated population has Covid, but no symptoms or in hospital, they'll still have it. I can see the EU and the most of the world apart from Spain blocking us travelling due to the Delta Variant.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
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That assumes he’s capable of feeling shame. I remain to be convinced that’s the case.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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I was led to believe that in order to transmit/receive the virus you need to be in close proximity to another person for 5-10 minutes and your chance of transmitting/receiving it depends to a fair degree on the " viral load " that you pass on/ receive. A mask ( correctly used, and of good quality ) will reduce the viral load leaving/received if this close contact happens. The less viral load the less chance of contracting it, the higher the load the worse a case you seem to get. That's why in the early days health workers and public transport workers seemed to get infected more often and often with a worse dose . So the upshot is that mask wearing does help stop the spread but does not guarantee protection.
As an aside. I work in close proximity with other staff, we have all been double jabbed for some time but we had a fairly rigorous mask wearing regime from when we came back from furlough. Over recent weeks my colleague tended to slip his mask under his chin whenever he could get away with it, this extended to longer and longer periods. management would actually come in to the small room where we worked together and talk about work related issues but they never seemed to notice they were in close proximity with someone not wearing a mask properly..
After a while i got pissed off with this as I was following the rules so I complained to management who admitted they had not noticed and had no idea of what had been happening. A quiet word occurred at some point but the mask under the chin habit persisted. A day or so later i was taken aside and told this by management..... " We asked X to wear his mask properly but he said he had had problems with nose bleeds and that his doctor had advised him only to wear a face mask sparingly until the source of the nosebleeds was found " I said " And you believed this then ? " well yes said the management.
So, I asked management speculatively if the " nose bleeds " tended to run in families ? " Why would that be ?" management asked and I replied that well his Mrs working in the room opposite does exactly the same as he does most of the day and no one notices that either !
TBH, working 3' away from someone wearing a mask or not isn't going to stop transmission if you are there in a small room 8 hours a day together but, it is the principle. If he has to use machinery or equipment that I have just used he always gets a disinfectant wipe out to clean it... while wearing his mask under his chin ! I really do feel like saying " look mate, if you are going to get Covid from me it wont be off the tools, it will be because you have been wearing your mask under your chin you thick **** ! "