Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[beorhthelm]

chief exec of Manchester NHS just been on news saying they can cope, have lots of capacity. Manchester really doesnt want to have a lockdown so perhaps we can try the Welsh approach and just ban them from entering the rest of England?

 

[daveinplzen]

Looks like stricter laws here, from Wednesday including masks anywhere in public

 

[Motogull]

abdominal aortic aneurysm
stomach pains

I hope you get those sorted soon. All the best.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

[tweet]1318146374420983814[/tweet]

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Restaurants in New York are now allowed to add a Covid 19 recovery charge of up to 10% to their bills if they want.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/10/16/nyc-restaurant-and-bar-coronavirus-surcharge-takes-effect?cid=share_fb

 

[BLOCK F]

I hope you get those sorted soon. All the best.

Thank you.

 

[The Wizard]

I’m so glad to see the extra 26000 deaths at home all over the news papers and websites today, I’ve been harping on about it for ages I know, hopefully it finally gets raised to someone who might be able to explain just simply how 100 more people are dying at home more than usual every day.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Restaurants in New York are now allowed to add a Covid 19 recovery charge of up to 10% to their bills if they want.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/10/16/nyc-restaurant-and-bar-coronavirus-surcharge-takes-effect?cid=share_fb

They have done this in Vegas as well

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Restaurants in New York are now allowed to add a Covid 19 recovery charge of up to 10% to their bills if they want.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/10/16/nyc-restaurant-and-bar-coronavirus-surcharge-takes-effect?cid=share_fb

Good idea.

 

[wellquickwoody]

In fairness Australia has the benefit of geographical isolation and a relatively small population, very different to any country in Europe. They have shut their borders and it seems eventually they will be covid free, Victoria has had a brutal lockdown it seems. The VIC / NSW border looks to be open in about a month if all goes well.

All good on one hand, but no one can leave the country and no visitors are possible for the foreseeable, except maybe to New Zealand.

You are quite correct, location and closed borders have made an enormous difference. That said, here in Vic we have had a loooong lockdown but brutal would be an over statement. What we have learned is that it takes two weeks for case numbers to reflect policy. Wales locking down for just over two weeks means it will have very similar numbers then as it has now. Pointless in my view.

Pfizer have actually started production of a vaccine now, in the expectation of approval, so with any luck there will be light at the end of the tunnel in the New Year, but it will be a long slog. Whether herd immunity or suppression/eradication was the best policy, only time will tell.

 

[BeHereNow]

I’m so glad to see the extra 26000 deaths at home all over the news papers and websites today, I’ve been harping on about it for ages I know, hopefully it finally gets raised to someone who might be able to explain just simply how 100 more people are dying at home more than usual every day.

I remember our resident scientist Harry Wilson’s Tackle telling us that he believed the lockdown was right because of the excess amount of deaths (him assuming it was because of Covid).

The excess deaths aren’t because of Covid though, so therefor we shouldn’t have had the lockdown, right? I would ask him myself but he put me on his ignore list apparently.

Like many of us said in April, the lockdown will kill more people than Covid.

 

[darkwolf666]

I remember our resident scientist Harry Wilson’s Tackle telling us that he believed the lockdown was right because of the excess amount of deaths (him assuming it was because of Covid).

The excess deaths aren’t because of Covid though, so therefor we shouldn’t have had the lockdown, right? I would ask him myself but he put me on his ignore list apparently.

Like many of us said in April, the lockdown will kill more people than Covid.

Here's a maths question for you... Which is the larger number?

43726*

or

26000**

Would you like to phone a friend, clearly you can't use 50/50.


*minimum number of Covid deaths with a lockdown.

**possible maximum number of excess deaths due to a lockdown (although exact numbers can't be proved as it's only a theoretical 5 year average).

 

[Thunder Bolt]

https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...y-amid-growing-case-numbers-2020-10?r=US&IR=T

Sweden's health officials are set to unveil strict new coronavirus rules for local regions to impose.

The country opted against lockdown measures in response to the first wave of the pandemic.

Growing case numbers in areas like the cities of Stockholm and Uppsala, however, have prompted a rethink.

Authorities in the worst-affected areas are set to have the power to strongly recommend people to avoid public transport, busy public places, and contact with those considered most vulnerable.

 

[darkwolf666]

https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...y-amid-growing-case-numbers-2020-10?r=US&IR=T

Sweden's health officials are set to unveil strict new coronavirus rules for local regions to impose.

The country opted against lockdown measures in response to the first wave of the pandemic.

Growing case numbers in areas like the cities of Stockholm and Uppsala, however, have prompted a rethink.

Authorities in the worst-affected areas are set to have the power to strongly recommend people to avoid public transport, busy public places, and contact with those considered most vulnerable.

Oh dear, let's hope that the Swedish are better at following "strongly recommend" than the British public. If not, that's not going to end well...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Here's a maths question for you... Which is the larger number?

43726*

or

26000**

Would you like to phone a friend, clearly you can't use 50/50.


*minimum number of Covid deaths with a lockdown.

**possible maximum number of excess deaths due to a lockdown (although exact numbers can't be proved as it's only a theoretical 5 year average).

You’ve gone from trying to claim the deaths at home are mainly covid, to now basically saying they don’t matter.

These are only the people have died so far, doesn’t even take into consideration of those that have missed cancer treatments/diagnoses.

 

[e77]

You’ve gone from trying to claim the deaths at home are mainly covid, to now basically saying they don’t matter.

These are only the people have died so far, doesn’t even take into consideration of those that have missed cancer treatments/diagnoses.

From what I have heard anecdotally from relatives and others there does seem to be a problem getting an appointment with a GP at the moment. This has puzzled me from the start as anyone with Covid-19 is told to stay at home unless it gets bad enough to need hospital treatment, both of which bypass GPs. If this has an impact on more people dying at home I don't know but it probably doesn't help.

However if people are scared to get medical treatment because of Covid-19 then the only way to solve the problem is get Covid-19 under control so people have more confidence. There seems to be some inference with some that if we just start under playing the possible effects of the virus everyone will relax and go and seek medical treatment if they need it. Problem is if we do this infections will rise and there will be more reason to fear the virus and stay at home.

If hospitals get overrun there will be many more people dying at home.

 

[loz]

From what I have heard anecdotally from relatives and others there does seem to be a problem getting an appointment with a GP at the moment. This has puzzled me from the start as anyone with Covid-19 is told to stay at home unless it gets bad enough to need hospital treatment, both of which bypass GPs. If this has an impact on more people dying at home I don't know but it probably doesn't help.

However if people are scared to get medical treatment because of Covid-19 then the only way to solve the problem is get Covid-19 under control so people have more confidence. There seems to be some inference with some that if we just start under playing the possible effects of the virus everyone will relax and go and seek medical treatment if they need it. Problem is if we do this infections will rise and there will be more reason to fear the virus and stay at home.

If hospitals get overrun there will be many more people dying at home.

Looking at my area this morning, we have no covid cases...I could only call my GP because I am late with my bi-annual blood test I have for a slight blood disorder that if not checked could turn not nice. No blood tests available for 4 weeks because of Covid I was just told, so thats 2 months late for me.

 

[sydney]

Looking at my area this morning, we have no covid cases...I could only call my GP because I am late with my bi-annual blood test I have for a slight blood disorder that if not checked could turn not nice. No blood tests available for 4 weeks because of Covid I was just told, so thats 2 months late for me.

my brother has been de registered from his surgery in Durrington as he has not attended for 3 yrs.....he just tried to get a flu jab , they told him to do one ...nice eh..??

 

[e77]

Looking at my area this morning, we have no covid cases...I could only call my GP because I am late with my bi-annual blood test I have for a slight blood disorder that if not checked could turn not nice. No blood tests available for 4 weeks because of Covid I was just told, so thats 2 months late for me.

There does seem to be a problem with accessing GP services that needs some explanation. One of my relatives needed fairly urgent dental work and ended up having to travel to Burgess Hill from Worthing as the only place locally who would do it wanted to charge £800 to do it privately.

 

[beorhthelm]

There does seem to be a problem with accessing GP services that needs some explanation. One of my relatives needed fairly urgent dental work and ended up having to travel to Burgess Hill from Worthing as the only place locally who would do it wanted to charge £800 to do it privately.

in the past 6 months or generally? nothing new that GPs generally hold their role as gatekeeper to healthcare very seriously, keeping the slightly ill out of the system. the whole notion of having "your" GP is archaic idea. we keep talking about covid changing working practice, lets hope also brings change to this part of healthcare too. (it wont).

see also dentists.