Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[LamieRobertson]

I'm not suggestion a permanent lockdown, but a managed border control process that stops us importing cases which is counter productive to the measures in place. This is what a lot of other countries are doing that have managed this pandemic well.

And severe claustrophobia from wearing a face mask? Halloween must be a nightmare![/QUOTE]

Love the empathy there ..

 

[LamieRobertson]

And yet two posts from you without linking to the source.

Let me do that for you.

It's a deferred bonus from when he was on the board at GSK. He's offloaded most of them. It's amusing. The "scary" MSM really should have reported this as the well known fact "Vallance used to be president of GSK".

I do see this as MSM jumping on things as they always do....I’d challenge the well known fact bit ...prior this pandemic I doubt whether many people would have even heard of the guy let alone know he was previously involved at such a high level with GSK ...so to I’d say to the majority of people this will come as a tad of a surprise....do I think it’s influencing things ..nah ...they aren’t even involved in the ‘Oxford’ one (although have partnered up with another company)..but just maybe it would have been prudent for him to dump them..

For disclosure purposes I do hold shares in GSK

 

[Guinness Boy]

For disclosure purposes I do hold shares in GSK

I imagine many of us and lots of health professionals do just through Pension funds and other investments where the contents are down to a fund manager. Whitty's probably got some.

 

[sydney]

oh lets just bring it on ...jab me full of eel brains and chinese fish market offal mixed with diesel and badger snot.....yee haa , i'm shitting myself right now , what could possibly go wrong...........not....!!!

 

[sydney]

Many thank for pointing out that the so called 'MSM' can display a range of views on the subject.

can .....but don't and haven't up until now , they have to take this line or not even the dumbest rock crawlers will give them the time of day .

thanks....btw.

 

[e77]

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[e77]

can .....but don't and haven't up until now , they have to take this line or not even the dumbest rock crawlers will give them the time of day .

thanks....btw.

Just for clarity, are you implying people who don't subscribe to the view that we have too many restrictions in place are somehow lacking in intelligence?

 

[e77]

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[sydney]

Just for clarity, are you implying people who don't subscribe to the view that we have too many restrictions in place are somehow lacking in intelligence?

no im implying that if the bbc don't become a bit more balanced in their material then people are going tom start guffawing at them and their fear mongering content , the powers that be are trying hard to retain traction with the issue , meanwhile there are other , quite pressing issues that are more accessible on social media than on main stream news.

 

[Albion Dan]

Many thank for pointing out that the so called 'MSM' can display a range of views on the subject.

Yes it’s very unusual which gives me encouragement that the narrative may shift.

 

[Jim in the West]

I think one of the problems in this whole horrible saga is that Covid impacts the elderly MASSIVELY more than the young. The relative risk to someone (who is in contact with Covid) in their 20s is around 600 times lower than someone in their 70s. Add to that the fact that the MSM is mainly consumed by an older demographic (especially the so-called popular press, plus the likes of the BBC News, etc). Most government ministers are 50+. Almost all decisions are being made or influenced, it seems, BY the older members of our society FOR the older members of our society. Those who suffer are the young and less well off.

I'm 57, by the way, so I fall into a slightly more at-risk category. But I'm beginning to feel that we are heaping misery and pain on millions and millions of people to protect the elderly. I realise it would be unpopular - especially with readers of the Telegraph/Mail/Express - but I think we should seriously consider targeting the restrictions (with appropriate assistance) far more towards the elderly.

 

[rippleman]

I have just read up on the new Job Retention Scheme.

75% of wages to be paid to protect only "viable jobs".

When asked to define a "viable job" the Chancellor refused.

From the BBC:

Mr Sunak said the new scheme would "support only viable jobs" as opposed to jobs that only exist because the government is continuing to subsidise the wages.

At a press conference, Mr Sunak declined to comment on what defines a job as "viable".

"It is not for me to sit here and make pronouncements on every individual job," he said. "What I want to be able to do is to provide as much support as possible given the constraints we operate in. We obviously can't sustain the same level of things that we were doing at the beginning of this crisis."

Just staggering from one shambles to the next

 

[CHAPPERS]

The Cummings Effect?

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(plus additional complete lack of personal ****ing responsibility)

 

[e77]

no im implying that if the bbc don't become a bit more balanced in their material then people are going tom start guffawing at them and their fear mongering content , the powers that be are trying hard to retain traction with the issue , meanwhile there are other , quite pressing issues that are more accessible on social media than on main stream news.

In a roundabout way I agree with you, especially as they give Climate Change deniers a lot of exposure when the science is fairly much all behind man made climate change being real.

 

[beorhthelm]

I have just read up on the new Job Retention Scheme.

75% of wages to be paid to protect only "viable jobs".

When asked to define a "viable job" the Chancellor refused.

From the BBC:

Mr Sunak said the new scheme would "support only viable jobs" as opposed to jobs that only exist because the government is continuing to subsidise the wages.

At a press conference, Mr Sunak declined to comment on what defines a job as "viable".

"It is not for me to sit here and make pronouncements on every individual job," he said. "What I want to be able to do is to provide as much support as possible given the constraints we operate in. We obviously can't sustain the same level of things that we were doing at the beginning of this crisis."

Just staggering from one shambles to the next

shirley its for business to define viable jobs, not the government? we havent gone full state control yet.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I have just read up on the new Job Retention Scheme.

75% of wages to be paid to protect only "viable jobs".

When asked to define a "viable job" the Chancellor refused.

From the BBC:

Mr Sunak said the new scheme would "support only viable jobs" as opposed to jobs that only exist because the government is continuing to subsidise the wages.

At a press conference, Mr Sunak declined to comment on what defines a job as "viable".

"It is not for me to sit here and make pronouncements on every individual job," he said. "What I want to be able to do is to provide as much support as possible given the constraints we operate in. We obviously can't sustain the same level of things that we were doing at the beginning of this crisis."

Just staggering from one shambles to the next

Companies will just keep PT staff for the short term,

 

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[LamieRobertson]

Not a great time to be a student in Scotland?

From bbc website

Universities Scotland said the new guidance that had been agreed with the Scottish government was a "necessary step at this crucial moment of managing the virus in the student population, to protect students and the wider community".

The new rules state that all universities will "make absolutely clear to students that there must be no parties, and no socialising outside their households".

They go on to say: "This weekend, the first of the new tighter Scottish government guidance, we will require students to avoid all socialising outside of their households and outside of their accommodation.

"We will ask them not to go to bars or other hospitality venues."

Extra staff will be brought into student accommodation to watch for any breaches of the guidance and to support students who are self-isolating.

Police Scotland will also be monitoring student behaviour off-campus and in private accommodation.

And private providers of student accommodation will also be urged to strictly enforce the guidance.

Students will also be required to download the Protect Scotland app.

The guidance warns: "We will take a strict 'Yellow Card/Red Card' approach to breaches of student discipline that put students and others at risk.

"While we first want to advise students about breaches of discipline, we will not hesitate to escalate this to disciplinary action including potential discontinuation of study."

 

[Weststander]

Not a great time to be a student in Scotland?

From bbc website

Universities Scotland said the new guidance that had been agreed with the Scottish government was a "necessary step at this crucial moment of managing the virus in the student population, to protect students and the wider community".

The new rules state that all universities will "make absolutely clear to students that there must be no parties, and no socialising outside their households".

They go on to say: "This weekend, the first of the new tighter Scottish government guidance, we will require students to avoid all socialising outside of their households and outside of their accommodation.

"We will ask them not to go to bars or other hospitality venues."

Extra staff will be brought into student accommodation to watch for any breaches of the guidance and to support students who are self-isolating.

Police Scotland will also be monitoring student behaviour off-campus and in private accommodation.

And private providers of student accommodation will also be urged to strictly enforce the guidance.

Students will also be required to download the Protect Scotland app.

The guidance warns: "We will take a strict 'Yellow Card/Red Card' approach to breaches of student discipline that put students and others at risk.

"While we first want to advise students about breaches of discipline, we will not hesitate to escalate this to disciplinary action including potential discontinuation of study."

The new Scottish laws forbid students returning to their home at their parents (another household).

Now social prisoners of their halls of residence/digs, with no student parties, gigs or the Union Bar.

 

[LamieRobertson]

The new Scottish laws forbid students returning to their home at their parents (another household).

Now social prisoners of their halls of residence/digs, with no student parties, gigs or the Union Bar.

Various student Welfare departments are going to be very busy me thinks