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Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread
- Thread starter GingerBeerMan
- Start date
So was Hitler.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
I'm haven't read the current rule book, but I think that is technically game over.
Machiavelli
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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
- 12,054
Well we've hit Godwin's Law which normally means end of discussion.
nicko31
Well-known member
Here we go "Scientists to blame if government made mistakes in response to pandemic"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-testing-therese-coffey-science-a9521626.html
It had to come sooner or later...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-testing-therese-coffey-science-a9521626.html
It had to come sooner or later...
Best read the last paragraph; that is the true position.
Yoda
English & European
Oh REALLY?? How about times when the Government ignored the Scientists?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice
There is no consensus on testing figures either.
One thing the Government are doing is leaving themselves room to manoeuvre. Target obsessed Hancock is not going to commit to which measure of testing the Government targets are based on. They are being smart and moving the goalposts on this depending on daily figures.
“It’s more than a week since statistical regulator the UK Statistics Authority wrote to Health Secretary Matt Hancock to ask for clarification of whether that target is for testing capacity, the number of tests administered, the number of tests completed or the number of people tested.
He hasn’t yet replied.”
BBC
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
I don't agree.
darkwolf666
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It’s damning, isn’t it - heads should roll...
I think governments (worldwide) realise they have messed up and a total lockdown was not the answer
Some form of lockdown yes - targeted/areas/age group etc but not the total shut down of economies.
It’s why we are now seeing countries fast tracking tourism etc.
I think we can safely ignore anything that has Ferguson attached.
Weststander
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With the benefit of hindsight, I think national lockdowns should’ve been earlier. But would the vast majority of people have adhered to it, when deaths were in very low numbers?
It would’ve dealt a blow to the initial (I assume) high R values, giving scientists/governments breathing space to formulate strategies. That very much includes Italy, Spain, NY state and NJ, where coffins piled up.
It is interesting to note the speed in which Italy and Spain are reopening many strands of society. I genuinely hope that it works well for them, giving hope to us that we too get quite a bit nearer to normality soon.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
No, I think that's what you think. The answer realised by governments (worldwide) is mass testing and track and trace.
If you weren't in a position to do that, lockdown was really only the alternative in countries like ours.
Where we ****ed up was not introducing it earlier. This was all come out in the inquiry.
With the percentage of deaths being older and frail and lockdown on those areas would have saved more lives as we would have been able to do it properly. It’s the same story it most hit counties the lack of protection in care homes and the older is the main source of death.
What will also come out is the complete lock down will end up causing more loss of life via missed cancer appointments/issues with mental health amongst other things people were worried to go to the nhs with.
you are actually agreeing with me, track and trace/shielding was the answer and not a complete lock down.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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this will be the main finding in future enquiry, and its deliverable as a policy to have procedures and supplies to implement in another outbreak. the current policy was followed, across many countries, in response to not having ability to do track and trace, so only alternative is lock down. now we have a nation fearful of going back to work or using health services, and impending collapse of many business or entire industries.
oldboyroy
Well-known member
Basically we screwed up from the start. Too late in most things as the government for whatever reason didn't think we the UK would be as bad as Italy and other countries as we were supposedly more prepared and will learn from them. Our lockdown when it came was half hearted compared to most other countries. Our infection rates that were around 5000 each day (albeit now coming down) were still happening while in lockdown. The testing figures have been doctored and at times calamitous throughout. All the announcements proudly boasting about never has NHS been overwhelmed (the only good thing that has happened), and now the relaxing of the rules in certain aspects is still farcical. From ppe to frontline workers to schools returning to public transport it's been a shambles in many ways.