None of this is 5G dependent and will have very little benefit to the use case and groups you’ve described. Also slightly ironic given how much you’re on here and some of your behaviour no?
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None of this is 5G dependent and will have very little benefit to the use case and groups you’ve described. Also slightly ironic given how much you’re on here and some of your behaviour no?
How does it support your assertion that smart phones cause mental illness? If you disagree with my post, you should be able to explain why and if you post a graph, claiming it demonstrates your point, you should be able to explain how and why.
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I know thats your opinion. I agree its not "5G dependent", its already bad. 5G wont make it better.
No, its not "ironic". I have some bad habits I dont agree with, like using the computer too much. Its good for you that you (seemingly, since you bring it up) live perfectly by what you think is good for you, but personally I do some things that are not optimal for my physical or mental health, and I believe I'm not the only one.
That said, I dont use smartphones. When I leave my apartment I'm analogue and when I'm at home I'm usually - unfortunately - by the computer.
Others explain it better. Some examples:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/24/smartphone-teen-suicide-mental-health-depression
https://www.theguardian.com/society...in-girls-linked-to-higher-use-of-social-media
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ia-and-celebrity-culture-harming-young-people
I agree with them.
No, that’s not what I asked. How does the graph YOU posted back up your theory?
No? Didn’t think so.
Ah.
The heavy increase in self-harm cases from 2009 onwards got a relation (as I see it) with the social media revolution (the rise of social media networks + the rise of smartphones).
What you have done, sort of, is stated that a rise in self harm coincides with a rise in smartphone use.
You’ve described two seperate graphs.
What I’m asking if for you to explain how the graphs support your theory. In order to do that you would have had to have had some training in mental health. I may be wrong, but I’m gonna say you haven’t had that training.
I have . And I happen to agree with you. I think the increase in smartphone use has cause an increase in some mental health conditions.
My problem with your post and with people who make these assertions without prior training, is that to put it bluntly, you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. It fits your overall world view so it’ll go in your trolley.
It’s not a healthy way to approach mental health.
Ok, then I guess that everyone posting Covid-19 graphs around here need to be educated coroners or something in that manner?
What has that got to do with the question I asked of you?
Jeff Minton's Corners
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Can I just ask one thing, how are you so sure he's wrong about this?
You need to read posts carefully.
I don’t think he’s wrong.
Well, I say that with some caveats but essentially, I agree with him.
He can buy one when passing the shops on his way to or from his second or third home. Or maybe when he drives a further 40 miles to deliver stuff to his parents that their neighbours were already delivering.
Lyndhurst 14
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Don't normally use the Daily Mail as a news source but their article on New York hospitalizations is interesting.
The New York Governor Andrew Cuomo uses these same slides in his daily briefing and I'm not always paying attention, but these are showing that 2/3 of hospital admissions are from people who have been staying at home. The other interesting slide is the age profile. This seems to confirm why a lot of younger people feel invincible as admissions under the age of 20 only account for 3% of the total
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293417/66-New-York-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-staying-HOME.html
The New York Governor Andrew Cuomo uses these same slides in his daily briefing and I'm not always paying attention, but these are showing that 2/3 of hospital admissions are from people who have been staying at home. The other interesting slide is the age profile. This seems to confirm why a lot of younger people feel invincible as admissions under the age of 20 only account for 3% of the total
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293417/66-New-York-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-staying-HOME.html
To me, your question is vague. I'm not exactly understanding what you are looking for, but I'll make another guess: you want to know what I believe is the "mechanics"?
Okay this is what I believe (and no I dont have any 'training'") to be some of the mechanics:
1. Social media increases the exposure of your "wants". People show off their new stuff, the nicest pictures from travels, their new clothes etc. By constantly feeding yourself with the "success" of others, satisfaction with what you already got decreases, and trying to get where your "successful" friends are increase stress & anxiety.
2. Social media share all of the great skills of the world. Back in the days you could compare i.e. your guitar skills with your closest friends, and of course you'd see Hendrix as your inspiration, but you wouldnt compare yourself to him. Today you watch some four year old kid singing the greatest opera of all time and you think: I'll never be as good as her and she is just a random kid. By comparing yourself to the rest of the world, you get self-defeatist in your views meaning what used to be your passions and interests become burdens, since you know you'll never be as good as the dude in the Youtube video or whatever.
3. The concept of participating in or just looking at constant communication create feelings of loneliness. What you pericieve is that the whole world is always communicating but that you are no popular enough, since you dont feel popular. You ignore the fact that lots are feeling the exact same way: they are communicating, yet lonely. Because that chat message can never replicate that face to face communication, even though some parts of the brain react similar to both stimulations.
I could go on endlessly: how "likes" are transforming previously genuine interaction to be social transactions. How feeding yourself with "news" 24/7 creates immense anxiety over future, and how equally constantly feeding yourself with nostalgia creates depressive thoughts of what have been lost.
It goes on, but I think you get my point - whether you agree or not with these examples - that I'm not just pulling numbers & graphs out of my ass. I have read a lot on this topic and I have been thinking about this subject since I got Internet at the age of ten and immediatly thought "damn, everything that was is seriously endangered by this shit".
Jeff Minton's Corners
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So you're just arguing with him?
Going to add something about self-harm specifically:
As far as I know the exact fundaments of self-harm are unknown, but the effects I mentioned in my post seem pretty likely to affect it.
I have a personal and probably very untried theory that self-harm to some extent is the result of not giving your kids enough attention. If your parents are obsessed by tv, social media or whatever and only give you attention or love if you hurt yourself, this could be increasing a subconcious urge to hurt yourself since you associate it with positive things. But thats a bit of a sidenote.
Green Cross Code Man
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But in context, those figures were only in the last week, according to Cuomo, they show that people have been largely observing the lockdown. That is pretty obvious to be fair, I would imagine that aside from care homes, our own figures would heavily weigh towards people who have stayed at home the further we go past the moment of lockdown. If nearly everyone is at home then it's more than a little mischievous to cleverly imply that people are in hospital because of lockdown.