Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[The Wizard]

Truly shocking and this is just cancer, imagine all the other emergencies and health problems that are also suffering.

 

[RossyG]

Truly shocking and this is just cancer, imagine all the other emergencies and health problems that are also suffering.

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Something the “Oh, so you think we should ease the lockdown do you? So you’re happy that the vulnerable will die” brigade always conveniently overlook.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The statistics are basically meaningless, which does mean I have a little more sympathy for Boris et al. It also means (FAO [MENTION=1200]Harry Wilson's tackle[/MENTION] ) that if I have understood her correctly, the mortality rate is also more or less meaningless. The mortality TREND is not, so carry on the good work

Is Harry a girl?

 

[beorhthelm]

Truly shocking and this is just cancer, imagine all the other emergencies and health problems that are also suffering.

there will be some very interesting analysis of overall mortality and disease diagnosis for 2020 in future.

 

[Triggaaar]

Is Harry a girl?

I've always assumed so

 

[Triggaaar]

Something the “Oh, so you think we should ease the lockdown do you? So you’re happy that the vulnerable will die” brigade always conveniently overlook.

Telling people with health concerns to contact their doctor isn't the same as easing the lockdown and telling all the shops to open, and everyone to go back to work/school etc.

 

[beorhthelm]

Telling people with health concerns to contact their doctor isn't the same as easing the lockdown and telling all the shops to open, and everyone to go back to work/school etc.

someone needs to tell health services, our GP has sent multiple emails and text essentially saying dont go to them.

 

[RossyG]

Telling people with health concerns to contact their doctor isn't the same as easing the lockdown and telling all the shops to open, and everyone to go back to work/school etc.

The doctors surgery here is shut. The nearest A&E is eight miles away. The Buses are erratic at best. It’s not hard to see why people aren’t being diagnosed.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Something the “Oh, so you think we should ease the lockdown do you? So you’re happy that the vulnerable will die” brigade always conveniently overlook.

FT is reporting that domestic abuse, hunt for paedophilic images, depression and mental health issues are up

Along side finically being ruined and cancer treatment already mentioned.

 

[Triggaaar]

someone needs to tell health services, our GP has sent multiple emails and text essentially saying dont go to them.

Yes, don't just turn up. But you can call them, and get their advice on what you should do next. And as I say, calls for making sure patients can see a doctor is not the same as calls for the pubs to open.

The doctors surgery here is shut. The nearest A&E is eight miles away. The Buses are erratic at best. It’s not hard to see why people aren’t being diagnosed.

Yes it's certainly understandable that fewer people will go and see a doctor, but as above, that doesn't mean you can't distinguish between calls to end the lockdown and calls for more patients to be seen.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Bear in mind this is second hand, there is no control group and I have no proof, BUT, a friend of mine who knows an ICU nurse at one local hospital was told by her that every CV19 case currently in her ICU was either a smoker, an ex smoker who smoked heavily for a very long time or lived in a house with a smoker.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

someone needs to tell health services, our GP has sent multiple emails and text essentially saying dont go to them.

It is a question I'd like to ask of GP surgeries, to why they have stopped so many appointments. Stopping those with symptoms of other illnesses are being blocked off from getting the investigative ball rolling. Added to which hearing of cancer patients having their treatment halted, not because of a risk factor to them, but due to decisions by the local NHS authority is very poor. Extending terminal people's lives by the administration of drugs is as important of treating an old person with the virus but apparently not.

 

[loz]

Bear in mind this is second hand, there is no control group and I have no proof, BUT, a friend of mine who knows an ICU nurse at one local hospital was told by her that every CV19 case currently in her ICU was either a smoker, an ex smoker who smoked heavily for a very long time or lived in a house with a smoker.

I would have thought that’s about everyone over 60 covered there ?

 

[Guinness Boy]

I would have thought that’s about everyone over 60 covered there ?

Nope. My mum's neve touched a fag in her life and neither has my step dad. I can remember the look of absolute horror she used to give me and my brother when we lit up in front of her and we were in our 20s (I haven't smoked for 15 years apart from the odd sneaky when I'm hammered, and I'm still worried).

Undoubtedly more people in that generation smoked than younger people do today though, which is why some verification and a control group would be nice.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Nope. My mum's neve touched a fag in her life and neither has my step dad. I can remember the look of absolute horror she used to give me and my brother when we lit up in front of her and we were in our 20s (I haven't smoked for 15 years apart from the odd sneaky when I'm hammered, and I'm still worried).

Undoubtedly more people in that generation smoked than younger people do today though, which is why some verification and a control group would be nice.

My parents never smoked and they are late 70's now. Their parents were all non smokers as well.

 

[beorhthelm]

re smoking it was noted early in both China and Italy that many hospitalised were smokers. interesting contrast to recent evidence that smokers are less likely to be infected though. biology ees complicated.

 

[CheeseRolls]

re smoking it was noted early in both China and Italy that many hospitalised were smokers. interesting contrast to recent evidence that smokers are less likely to be infected though. biology ees complicated.

There was talk of trialling nicotine patches in France, given the statistically low number of smokers admitted into hospitals. It does feel counter intuitive.

 

[oldboyroy]

A significant drop in fatalities reported today compared to a "normal" Sunday figure still sad news for those who have lost loved ones but at least they've dropped

 

[RossyG]

368 dead apparently. Even with the usual caveats about weekend reporting, that's still a better number than ones we're used to.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I would have thought that’s about everyone over 60 covered there ?

Eh how do you come to that conclusion?