Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[ManOfSussex]

Or just as likely you are one of the very substantial percentage of people who are asymptomatic and could’ve had it and “recovered” at any point in the last month or two.

That's very true. I'm physically quite fit, but I did used to smoke heavily and whenever something is doing the rounds, I'll normally pick it up and have symptoms to some degree or other, but I fully accept I could be asymptomatic. I also might still come down with it tomorrow - I might not have had it all. All very odd.

Mid jan for me

I was so I’ll i couldn’t leave bed to move downstairs as would be out of breath - worst I’ve ever felt and took over a week to get over.

I mentioned it on here, but it was the worst I've felt for a few years. It was my breathing and the chest pain though and it was right when that flurry of cases was happening in B&H too and whatever it was I definitely think I picked it up in one of the hot, stuffy pubs I was in before the game.

 

[Triggaaar]

Note to [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION]: fears are not exclusively directed towards the present*

I didn't think your fears were directed towards the present You said the graph confirmed your fear for the US, and I simply said that I don't think the graph shows a problem for the US, any different from Europe. That's it.

and that graph doesn't even refer to the present, it refers to the past moving towards the very recent past.

Agreed.

As others have pointed out on here including me, the issue is not what the data indicate about the past, it's about the trajectory and, if you've followed things, you'll find that the trajectory for the US is extremely alarming.

I disagree that the trajectory of that graph is a problem for the US, as I've explained above. It's ok that you don't agree with me.

My concern for the US is what they're going to do about it, due to their leader and their culture of being free to ignore their government.

 

[Triggaaar]

Anyone would think they have been ignoring their own guidance.

It does look pretty negligent. Do as we say, not as we do.

 

[The Wizard]

Italy 812 deaths, 4000 new cases. Continuing the decrease in new cases and 1600 new recoveries, a record high.

 

[Triggaaar]

Figures to now include deaths in the community as well as in hospital.

What? So up until now, people who have died from CV, but not inside a hospital, have not been included? So what has their cause of death been given as then?

 

[Mellotron]

Italy 812 deaths, 4000 new cases. Continuing the decrease in new cases and 1600 new recoveries, a record high.

That's over a 20% drop in new serious cases, if true/accurate.

 

[Triggaaar]

I agree with this, there was a wave of sickness at the turn of the year which have symptoms much like corona.

I expect that was the flu.

 

[Mellotron]

What? So up until now, people who have died from CV, but not inside a hospital, have not been included? So what has their cause of death been given as then?

This is the problem. We've been seeing death tolls as the more reliable statistic, but even that is a bit all over the place. Professor Ferguson re-iterating on BBC Radio this morning/last night (unsure which) that a large percentage of cases may well have died anyway.

So hard to say whether COVID is the cause of death, an attributing factor, or coincidental - that final suggestion may sound flippant, but realistically someone very ill in a hospital with large instances of COVID is going to contract it VERY easily at the moment, surely?

 

[Triggaaar]

Would you go to hospital if you thought it was normal flu?

If you were had pneumonia and couldn't get enough oxygen, then I'd think most would.

 

[Triggaaar]

One possible reason children tend to be less affected is apparently that other, less harmful, coronaviruses are common in schools and nurseries and give some degree of protection.

I'd have thought that older people have had more of the less harmful coronaviruses over the course of their lives than kids under 10. If your hypothesis is correct, then I'd expect teachers to fair well, and also parents of young children.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is the problem. We've been seeing death tolls as the more reliable statistic, but even that is a bit all over the place. Professor Ferguson re-iterating on BBC Radio this morning/last night (unsure which) that a large percentage of cases may well have died anyway.

So hard to say whether COVID is the cause of death, an attributing factor, or coincidental - that final suggestion may sound flippant, but realistically someone very ill in a hospital with large instances of COVID is going to contract it VERY easily at the moment, surely?

It's going to make comparing the numbers between countries quite difficult. Although I do expect Russia will have done better than most, because they're really advanced and everything.

 

[sparkie]

I know a family of four who were fairly sure they had it last week - aches and pains, high temp and cough. Sure there are plenty more.



There are all sorts of variables at play. One possible reason children tend to be less affected is apparently that other, less harmful, coronaviruses are common in schools and nurseries and give some degree of protection. Could it be that these have been more prevalent in the UK than elsewhere in Europe? Let's see how the figures evolve.

I reckon children have had less pollution in their lungs over their lifetime. Pretty much none of them would have smoked either, although some would have passively.

 

[Mellotron]

It's going to make comparing the numbers between countries quite difficult. Although I do expect Russia will have done better than most, because they're really advanced and everything.

Yup, hopefully there will be some sort of universal ruling made afterwards on reporting, although probably not, realistically.

Ha. Yup, not suspicious of Russia's way of dealing with it at all. Nor North Korea's.

 

[The Wizard]

Yup, hopefully there will be some sort of universal ruling made afterwards on reporting, although probably not, realistically.

Ha. Yup, not suspicious of Russia's way of dealing with it at all. Nor North Korea's.

Nor China myself, I believe there is a serious cover up going on over there particularly in Wuhan where residents have claimed at least 10 times the ‘official’ number of people have died. Very difficult to trust countries who are rotten. Similar to Iran’s numbers, they have 3000+ cases per day yet the death toll everyday stays between 100-150, total and utter rubbish.

 

[atomised]

This article by a Cambridge Virologist seems pretty well informed and considers it very unlikely that the virus arrived earlier than assumed. Much more likely people had a more standard winter bug that they are now falsely attributing to the coronavirus:
https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-virologist-explains-what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-covid-19-9104220/?fbclid=IwAR2vUKimXesh6U_qKW8i8Npqoye5w2LIObELwEBehb24GmTGEwTBfF4ot4U

It is an interesting article but it does go with the assumption that all the figures coming from china have been entirely factual and correct

 

[Notters]

I'd have thought that older people have had more of the less harmful coronaviruses over the course of their lives than kids under 10. If your hypothesis is correct, then I'd expect teachers to fair well, and also parents of young children.

I don't think the immunity lasts a lifetime

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Interesting reaction from a WHO official who pretended not to hear a question about Taiwan and then tried to ignore the question, before eventually hanging up.

https://twitter.com/studioincendo/s...ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52087619

 

[Triggaaar]

Interesting reaction from a WHO official who pretended not to hear a question about Taiwan and then tried to ignore the question, before eventually hanging up.

https://twitter.com/studioincendo/s...ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52087619

Blimey. So China has stopped WHO from acknowledging Taiwan. If China has 'persuaded' the officials to not discuss Taiwan, what else has China 'persuaded' them to do?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Blimey. So China has stopped WHO from acknowledging Taiwan.

I didn't realise the WHO wouldn't recognize Taiwan as it isn't allowed into the United Nations. Pretty stupid to ignore Taiwan as they have controlled the virus outbreak very well.

 

[pb21]

Interesting reaction from a WHO official who pretended not to hear a question about Taiwan and then tried to ignore the question, before eventually hanging up.

https://twitter.com/studioincendo/s...ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52087619

Blimey. So China has stopped WHO from acknowledging Taiwan. If China has 'persuaded' the officials to not discuss Taiwan, what else has China 'persuaded' them to do?

Also this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan-who-idUSKBN21H1AU

TAIPEI (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) has not shared with member states information Taiwan has provided on the coronavirus including details on its cases and prevention methods, Taiwan’s Foreign Ministry said on Monday, ratcheting up its complaints.