Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[daveinplzen]

Trying to find out if this is a wind up

https://www.praguemorning.cz/czech-...GnCOxH0NChn9q9ZsjCQUhuYaoR5eNPaSc-EVoSQuK4hnQ

 

[Icy Gull]

I trust that this is not aimed at me, because I agree with you. I suspect that a certain "expert" might need to be tolld what you are writing.

Nope, I was agreeing with you!

 

[Nobby]

The whole strategy is about minimising the impact on our NHS - that is what they have said

Critical care beds per 1000 in Germany 29.7

In the UK 6.6

Probably why we have different strategies and that’s not political just the facts.

 

[Icy Gull]

In 50-100 years time people will look back in history and say "what the **** was the UK doing"

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And your qualifications for thinking your opinion is the correct one?

We are ALL pissing in the wind with our opinions. None of us, other than perhaps people who are experts in this sort of event have a clue, just their own opinions

What makes you think that yours is the correct one?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

And your qualifications for thinking your opinion is the correct one?

I'm smarter than you.

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[peterward]

I agree, although our infection levels aren't exactly low. Estimated to be 5-10k currently.

I see a lot of people criticizing Boris Johnson, saying things like "He says many will die, but we aren't going to do anything to prevent that, ****ing disgrace" etc.

What those people are failing to realize is that sadly many will die regardless of what we do. The only question is how many, and I do think that our approach is more likely to result in fewer deaths than would be the case if we didn't approach this correctly.

Either way, sadly, this is going to be tragic for a lot of people. It isn't going to be the Tories fault, or Labours fault, or Trumps fault, or - insert your ideological opponent here -'s fault.

It's just nature, and we are vulnerable humans. Nature can be savage, but we can be strong-willed in the face of it. We have to be.

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[jessiejames]

So we have a PM who is taking the advice of experts instead of doing what he thinks is best, and people still not happy just want to criticise him for following the experts. really.

Thought PM came across well.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I liked the Oxford (?) expert Prof on after.

He agreed with all in principle, but said they might need to reassess if the number of infections goes over the prediction in the next few days. Reasoned and informed.

If only he was as informed as some on NSC.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Coronavirus / Covid-19

So we have a PM who is taking the advice of experts instead of doing what he thinks is best, and people still not happy just want to criticise him for following the experts. really.

Thought PM came across well.

I’ve missed information on what he thinks is best? Can you point me in the direction of his preferred strategy?

 

[peterward]

Hope this is wrong

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-uk-doctor-nhs-hospital-symptoms-italy-china-a9397736.html

This is truly shit scary. There has been plenty of us on here who for a couple of weeks or so, could see this potential path as a distinct possibility, purely by the virus trajectory versus the ability of our NHS to cope.

Reading this puts it all into very sharp perspective.

Essential if there is anyone left in the "just the flu" and "nothing much to see here" camps.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'm smarter than you.

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I doubt it

 

[sparkie]

The peak is apparently still months away. The expert advise is that those measures will be most effective if they are used later rather than now.

Seems like a pretty gutsy call so make. Gotta hope the experts have got it right.

June is when the peak is predicted to hit us.

 

[BLOCK F]

I’ve missed information on what he thinks is best? Can you point me in the direction of his preferred strategy?

If only you were PM, everything would be OK wouldn't it.:

 

[Driver8]

I’m astonished by the lack of action from our Gov’t, and equally astonished that we seem to be using Italy as our model. They also did too little too late. I’d much rather we followed Taiwan’s example.

 

[BLOCK F]

I’m astonished by the lack of action from our Gov’t, and equally astonished that we seem to be using Italy as our model. They also did too little too late. I’d much rather we followed Taiwan’s example.

Just e-mail the chief medic and chief scientific officer and tell them of your astonishment.........that'll put them right!
Daft ignoramuses, both of them!

 

[DumLum]

Loads of kids with a dry cough at my place of work tonight. Why aren't they self isolating FFS.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I’ve missed what he thinks is best. Can you point me in the direction of his preferred strategy?

Prefaced by the fact I don't know what Johnson is thinking, it should be clear that an optimal response to the pandemic is not something being made up on the hoof but will have been strategised and war-gamed for decades by experts. If all of that planning is to mean anything then we should follow it - which is what I assume Johnson is doing.

Closing schools and cancelling sporting fixtures is something to be done for the appearance of doing something. I strongly suspect many politicians do this so they look decisive and in control - but if the decades of simulating pandemics and refining the response strategy say that it is counter productive or pointless, then it is most likely to be exactly that and it is actually the strongest leader who keeps the plan going in the face of cries to close schools (to be clear - I can't stand Johnson politically)

I'm in London now and there are people everywhere, going to work, in pubs and shops and restaurants, on trains and buses and pavements. What good will cancelling a football match or closing a school do if all the rest of that carries on? Very very little, if any - but it will drop morale and keep a lot of parents busy when they could perhaps be doing a better job as doctors or nurses, police, scientists, reporters, farmers, firemen, shop keepers, pharmacists, lorry drivers and so on. Millions of people have a part to play in getting us through this, and having their kids tucked away somewhere safe during the day will allow them to do so. Moreover, I think teachers will have a big part to play in keeping kids properly educated about what's happening, calm and not panicking in what may very well end up to be a very confusing, frightening and stressful time for them, with family members sick or dying.

 

[Driver8]

Just e-mail the chief medic and chief scientific officer and tell them of your astonishment.........that'll put them right!
Daft ignoramuses, both of them!

Just doing as they’re told by their employers.

 

[peterward]

Loads of kids with a dry cough at my place of work tonight. Why aren't they self isolating FFS.

pull your socks up, show a bit of fight man...... its just the flu

 

[Bry Nylon]

Either way, sadly, this is going to be tragic for a lot of people. It isn't going to be the Tories fault, or Labours fault, or Trumps fault, or - insert your ideological opponent here -'s fault.

It's just nature, and we are vulnerable humans. Nature can be savage, but we can be strong-willed in the face of it. We have to be.

I respectfully disagree with this.

The accountability for this virus sits squarely at the door of the Chinese authorities who have willfully allowed medieval wet markets to still exist in 2020, instead of getting a grip on public health and hygiene standards in their country. This virus isn't a natural disaster that just came from nowhere like an earthquake or tsunami. It is a result of people keeping dead and live creatures side-by-side in horrifically cramped and filthy conditions. The global health, economic and social disaster that is now unfolding could and should have been avoided.