[Albion] “Losing the dressing room”

[DJ NOBO]

Do you believe this is really a thing?
That consumate professionals like Dunk and Welbeck wouldn’t try in a game, to spite the manager?
Imo our senior players would give their all even if they have no faith in the manager whatsoever.
They are good people and responsible professionals.
What does “losing the dressing room” even mean?

 

[SkirlieWirlie]

Don't believe we are that type of club. The structure, hierarchy, personnel selection, etc wouldn't allow that sort of situation to grow and fester.

If a loss of confidence in the management team did arise, it would be dealt with proactively.

 

[nevergoagain]

Definitely a thing, not sure that would translate into not trying on the pitch though. If players, especially senior pros, disagree with tactics or the way that a manager deals with things or treats players then this like most workplaces can fester and bring down the spirit in the dressing room and would likely have an impact on performance but not deliberate.

 

[SkirlieWirlie]

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[Triggaaar]

Do you believe this is really a thing?

Yes. Not necessarily with our team, but sometimes it happens.

What does “losing the dressing room” even mean?

When the players are convinced that the managers decisions are the wrong ones and that they're never going to play well and win much until the manager changes.


I feel like I've tried to give an overly sensible answer to a rhetorical question or something.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

My worry was the players just aren't getting his tactics.

It has been a common refrain, that many observers don't see a consistent approach.

Yesterday was probably our best 90 minutes so far.

Maybe it's starting to gel.
I hope so.

I strongly suspect there has been some unrest in the camp though.
More out of frustration than anything else.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Yes. There’s numerous interviews with ex-pros where they’ve admitted it’s a thing.

 

[stewart12]

It definitely happens to managers. It's not necessarily the case that players play badly on purpose but it's certainly the case that with fine margins in games it can be the case that a team lacking in motivation and cohesion can look like they're not trying.



Surely anyone who's had a bad manager at work can relate to that.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Lots of bollocks was written on here after the forest game.

The players blatantly can't get the manager sacked here. We're not run by short term thinkers

 

[Littlemo]

I do think it’s a thing that exists, I am not saying it is or isn’t the case here at Brighton.

The players are professionals, I don’t think it would ever manifest itself in not trying to win games or making an effort but I do think it can lead to players not playing well, low confidence and looking unhappy.

Not because they are trying to prove points but just because they are human beings and none of us perform that well if we aren’t sure what we are doing, don’t believe in the work we are doing, the ways we try to do it and most of all if we don’t like and trust our managers/leasers. That would be the same for everyone in a workplace, not just footballers.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Lots of bollocks was written on here after the forest game.

The players blatantly can't get the manager sacked here. We're not run by short term thinkers

About Fab losing the dressing room? Indeed there was guesswork stated as fact.
But it is also a leap to say yesterday was proof the players are fully on board with Fab.

 

[kelvinnewman]

Def not the case currently but imagine where it does happen it’s less “deliberately not trying” and more “doing their own thing which is different to what the manager asked”

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I've no doubt it's something that happens at all clubs from time to time, but it's also a thing which fans who have no idea what's actually going on like to spout without any corroboration whatsoever to berate a manager who isn't succeeding (or, isn't succeeding at the level they perceive befits their club).

So, 90% of the time, it's bollocks. Is my take on the matter.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Do you believe this is really a thing?
That consumate professionals like Dunk and Welbeck wouldn’t try in a game, to spite the manager?
Imo our senior players would give their all even if they have no faith in the manager whatsoever.
They are good people and responsible professionals.
What does “losing the dressing room” even mean?

No.
It's bollocks.

I don't believe that when a team gets seriously dicked like we were at Forest this is due to downing of tools, loss of motivation, etc.
Mostly it is just a shit day at the office.
Didn't Liverpool ship 7 in a game under Clippety a couple of years ago?
And look at the state of Citeh lately.

When it goes on week after week, it ceases to be the exception and becomes the norm. That's different.

There has been a malaise at ManU for some time, but my guess is the mix of players doesn't work.
The captain sounds great when interviewed but his body language on the pitch stinks. That's just him.
And Rashford looks like he's been sleeping rough. Again, I think that's just him.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes. There’s numerous interviews with ex-pros where they’ve admitted it’s a thing.

Largely back in the day where most managers were shouty sweary alcoholics, though.

 

[Hiheidi]

He held one-on-one discussions with some squad members including Veltman....

“He talked with some players about the best way to bounce back, with the more experienced players and also with some young lads,” Veltman tells The Athletic. “I think he did well. Sometimes the gaffer makes his own decisions, but he wants to feel the situation in the room and that is what makes him a really good gaffer. He has a sense of what is going on in the dressing room."

Link to article here:

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

About Fab losing the dressing room? Indeed there was guesswork stated as fact.
But it is also a leap to say yesterday was proof the players are fully on board with Fab.

There is no evidence that I'm a lady.
But that doesn't mean it makes any sense to say there is no proof I'm not.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

The interesting thing for me was that in 2 of the turnaround games this season the senior pros have been cited as influential. Milner was apparently instrumental in the Spurs game at half time and Welbeck in another I've forgotten (no, I can't be arsed to find the links)

Similarly, some players oozed praise about RDZ (and others clearly couldn't stand him for balance). Steele said he changed his life and Gross waxed lyrical about him.

No one seems to say anything about FH good or bad from the camp. We haven't much out of Ferguson or Enciso who I thought might gob off. I'd love to know what the players really think.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He held one-on-one discussions with some squad members including Veltman....

“He talked with some players about the best way to bounce back, with the more experienced players and also with some young lads,” Veltman tells The Athletic. “I think he did well. Sometimes the gaffer makes his own decisions, but he wants to feel the situation in the room and that is what makes him a really good gaffer. He has a sense of what is going on in the dressing room."

Link to article here:

That's brilliant.

And more rational than inviting a witch to the Amex to do a little shit by each corner flag.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

He held one-on-one discussions with some squad members including Veltman....

“He talked with some players about the best way to bounce back, with the more experienced players and also with some young lads,” Veltman tells The Athletic. “I think he did well. Sometimes the gaffer makes his own decisions, but he wants to feel the situation in the room and that is what makes him a really good gaffer. He has a sense of what is going on in the dressing room."

Link to article here:

Interesting, especially Veltman's comments.

The cigarette lighter did make me think of David Brent though.