[News] London Bridge Incident

[Norman Potting]

I don't think I need to make a comment on this.

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And to finish off. I'd just like to point out not a single one of those laws relates to releasing terrorists after conviction.

75 terrorists have been released under Tory cuts. One if them committed more terrorism. The buck stops with the conservatives on this.

I know who I feel safer under.

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Despite your having quoted your interesting data on voting intentions, and your apparent criticisms of the tories (with which I agree) it is not obvious who you feel safer under.

The reason I mention this is because I am not sure who I feel safer under.

On the one hand we have an Israel-friendly (albeit still with pockets of racism and antisemitism) tory party - making every man woman and child in the UK a 'legitimate target' for stone-age madment waving a knife and the quran.

On the other hand we have a Palestine-friendly beardy pacificist (albeit witth pockets of antisemitism which, in theory, might put a smile on the faces of our Importan Partner, and facilitator of terrorism, the Saudis) who, neverless, is a kaffir and therefore a legitimate target, along with all the peoples of the UK, of the sons and daughters of psychotic medaevil islam, driving a hired SUV with a fake bomb strapped to the chest.

I don't feel any more or less safe than I might whether these goons, the liberals greens, or tangerines ran the show.

What part of flirting with (or actually signing up to) a doctrine of random genocide of 'the other' don't our soppy brexit obsessed politicians and public (yes public) understand? Now, if it were paedophilia, rather than killing the kaffir, that these spotty wankers adored, they wouldn't be let out unless they were clearly and irrevocably deemed safe.

Would they?

FFS.

 

[beorhthelm]

75 terrorists have been released under Tory cuts. One if them committed more terrorism. The buck stops with the conservatives on this.

I know who I feel safer under.

under cuts or the current law? should the law have been changed to stop terrorist leaving prison? Corbyn's position is that there should not be a blanket ban on early release for terror offenses, so many would be released as present. personally im not sure it will make a difference, defer the problem not solve it.

 

[theonlymikey]

under cuts or the current law? should the law have been changed to stop terrorist leaving prison? Corbyn's position is that there should not be a blanket ban on early release for terror offenses, so many would be released as present. personally im not sure it will make a difference, defer the problem not solve it.

Cuts.

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[JC Footy Genius]

No evidence?

You haven't read the newspapers then.

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You better send the 'evidence' to the Shadow Attorney General as she doesn't believe any political party can be blamed.

 

[Saunders]

Whilst arguing this its worth remembering that the innocent victims believed in rehabilitation and the very people that the bring back the death penalty and lock them up indefinitely advocators would hate.

Agree with their choice or not but if the victims are anti death penalties and believe in and work towards sentences aiming towards rehabilitation of criminals (the typical lilly liberal). You would be shitting on their grave if you use their death to try to remove legislation that they would and have died to protect. So at least respect the humans involved before you start nailing them to your political agenda.

Rant over.

 

[theonlymikey]

You better send the 'evidence' to the Shadow Attorney General as she doesn't believe any political party can be blamed.

Or we could look at the statement of a man who personally warned Johnson about these risks?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...k-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

I'm not particularly interested what the shadow secretary has to say on the matter, he has had no involvement in these matters.

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[JC Footy Genius]

Or we could look at the statement of a man who personally warned Johnson about these risks?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...k-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

I'm not particularly interested what the shadow secretary has to say on the matter, he has had no involvement in these matters.

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Or we could look at reports that show he did take part in a de radicalisation programme while in prison and after he was released, was being monitored with numerous restrictions including being tagged.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-30...lisation-course-to-be-a-good-british-citizen/

The decision to allow him on an unsupervised trip seems to be where a terrible error was made (in hindsight).

Sources told the Observer that Khan attended a Whitehall conference earlier this year under escort. But he went to Friday’s conference unsupervised following discussions between police and probation officers.

It's the Shadow's Attorney General's job to be informed on these matters which is why she was put up by Labour to address this issue which I thought she did well. She made several good points and wasn't trying to exploit this tragedy for electoral advantage .... unlike you.

 

[Eeyore]

Of course you haven't but the demographics of London would suggest otherwise
Regards
DF

London is like many other major international cities. 30-40% born outside the country. That's about the same as New York. It's normal.

And it's not going to change. London wouldn't be the great city it is if things were different.

 

[pastafarian]

We're all human beings not labels.

Exactly would totally agree with this,
If someone for example did a selfless act and put themselves in harms way to protect others then that is to me simply a person doing a selfless act and a good thing. I find it totally pointless hearing people with an agenda going out of their way to further label said people as being an immigrant from another country or adding an extra label as to what religion they might be. What on earth for? Its irrelevant to their good deed.
Labels should disappear, we are all just people as far as I am concerned.
The people who constantly insist on pointing out our differences in this way are half the problem.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

London is like many other major international cities. 30-40% born outside the country. That's about the same as New York. It's normal.

And it's not going to change. London wouldn't be the great city it is if things were different.

Expensive,overcrowded ,knife crime ,scooter gangs, ghettos ,no go areas at certain times of the day , yeah fine if you're a tourist
Regards
DF

 

[Weststander]

Did any of you just see on BBC Breakfast, an interview with a guy called Toby, who runs the charity where the scummer knifed the innocents? He told the amazing story of how individuals in the hall fought back against the assailant, in great detail. Causing the assailant to flee. He must’ve thought it was going to be an unchallenged turkey shoot.

Amazing people, they definitely saved lives. Not just Brits btw .. the first brave vigilante was a pole Lukas who works at the charity.

Total respect. I hope they get looked after and honoured.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Did any of you just see on BBC Breakfast, an interview with a guy called Toby, who runs the charity where the scummer knifed the innocents? He told the amazing story of how individuals in the hall fought back against the assailant, in great detail. Causing the assailant to flee. He must’ve thought it was going to be an unchallenged turkey shoot.

Amazing people, they definitely saved lives. Not just Brits btw .. the first brave vigilante was a pole Lukas who works at the charity.

Total respect. I hope they get looked after and honoured.

Lukasz was the guy with the narwhal tusk.

 

[theonlymikey]

Or we could look at reports that show he did take part in a de radicalisation programme while in prison and after he was released, was being monitored with numerous restrictions including being tagged.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-30...lisation-course-to-be-a-good-british-citizen/

The decision to allow him on an unsupervised trip seems to be where a terrible error was made (in hindsight).

Sources told the Observer that Khan attended a Whitehall conference earlier this year under escort. But he went to Friday’s conference unsupervised following discussions between police and probation officers.

It's the Shadow's Attorney General's job to be informed on these matters which is why she was put up by Labour to address this issue which I thought she did well. She made several good points and wasn't trying to exploit this tragedy for electoral advantage .... unlike you.

What a load of nonsense.

That link which I just go around to reading in no way shape or form says he WAS deradicalised.

In fact what it does says is

According to the Ministry of Justice, a prisoner serving a sentence such as Khan's would have been required to take part in a deradicalisation course.

It does not say he was.

In fact, the guardian reports:

The London Bridge attacker had asked for help to be deradicalised while he was in prison, but none was forthcoming, his solicitor has claimed.

The fact he was released but didn't even meet requirements just adds further light on just how sh1t the Tories are. So thanks for helping the Labour cause.

And in reference to Labours response. Yvette cooper seems to corroborate the above, as does the secret barrister.

"Yvette Cooper
(@YvetteCooperMP)
Usman Khan was sentenced for serious terror offence in Feb 2012. Thought to be so dangerous by judge he was given IPP sentence to prevent release if still serious threat. Instead he was released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen? ...1"


And yes I do feel much safer under Labour. You cannot do public safety on the CHEAP!

And finally, Labour governments have been much harder on terrorism than the Tories.

"norman smith
(@BBCNormanS)
Hmmm... can criticise last Labour Govt for many things...but surely not being soft on terror ??
ID cards, control orders, detention without trial etc etc...."


Under Tories:

Man attacks victims in a terrorism act. Police are slow to respond as there's not enough of them raising risk of more victims. Victims are attended to slower due to ambulance cuts. Their treatment is stretched due to NHS cuts. Meanwhile, attacker is jailed. Attacker doesn't get therapy due to cuts. Should be kept in Prison but can't due to no spaces and cuts, is supposed to be assessed before released but doesn't due to cuts, man is released and should be monitored, but isn't monitored due to cuts, man attacks more victims, victims die.

We are not safe under the conservatives. I'll say it one last time, YOU CANNOT DO SECURITY ON THE CHEAP.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[theonlymikey]

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I posted his tweet in the comments on all of the stories DM are running about this attack.

The responses are vile. And the tweet has been down voted to oblivion.

I despair, I really do.

 

[beorhthelm]

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The London Bridge attacker had asked for help to be deradicalised while he was in prison, but none was forthcoming, his solicitor has claimed.

thats an unbiased source... doesn't it strike you as ever so unlikely someone radicalised asking to be deradicalised?

we should certainly pay more attention to Coopers question "released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen?". i thought release doesnt happen without review before a parole board. though its reported he was released on licence automatically without Parole Board involvement as a standard procedure. so which is it and how did that process fail?

 

[theonlymikey]

thats an unbiased source... doesn't it strike you as ever so unlikely someone radicalised asking to be deradicalised?

we should certainly pay more attention to Coopers question "released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen?". i thought release doesnt happen without review before a parole board. though its reported he was released on licence automatically without Parole Board involvement as a standard procedure. so which is it and how did that process fail?

He should never had been allowed to be released under automatic release. He was sentenced under Conservatives and released under Conservatives. But he didn't have to be released.

So is Boris Johnson right to blame Labour?
No. It is true that Labour’s law change of 2008 created the type of extended sentence that allowed Khan to be released automatically. But Labour had also created a viable alternative, in the indeterminate IPP sentence, which required parole board oversight.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-london-bridge-terrorist-released-from-prison

 

[Springal]

Interesting that one of his mates, who was jailed in 2013 has also been released. Which blows Priti Patels theory out of the water doesn't it ?

 

[beorhthelm]

He should never had been allowed to be released under automatic release. He was sentenced under Conservatives and released under Conservatives. But he didn't have to be released.

So is Boris Johnson right to blame Labour?
No. It is true that Labour’s law change of 2008 created the type of extended sentence that allowed Khan to be released automatically. But Labour had also created a viable alternative, in the indeterminate IPP sentence, which required parole board oversight.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-london-bridge-terrorist-released-from-prison

same article explains that the Court of Appeal changed his sentence from IPP with parole board to extended sentence without. though does not explain why he was released before the halfway point. so again, we need to look at the process and system. the politicians are arguing among themselves to apportion blame when none are directly involved.

the fact he wearing a tag suggests he went through a process, he didn't simply get released with no assessment. i reckon in the final analysis some one isnt telling us some details.