[Politics] Liz Truss **RESIGNS 20/10/2022**

[A1X]

“Woman” is in there

My personal favourites are “absolutely” and “completely”, presumably with the word that followed being taken out of the figures!

 

[Weststander]

Writing as a literally card carrying Labour member, I'd argue that reforming the voting system in a way that drastically reduces the Conservatives' chances of ever having a Parliamentary majority in their own right ever again would do far more for the country than any other piece of legislation a single Labour government might bring forward.

But you're probably right, I'm sure short sightedness will win the day.

I’ve always noted two different schools of thought, and this was pre Brexit etc.

- Some Labour supporters who seem more interested in anyone but Tory than anything else, so on that basis alone, very pro PR.

- National Labour politicians and advisors/writers, who think positively about Labour governments under FPTP. Loathed to throw that away forever, unwilling if at all possible to be just one player in coalitions.

 

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[Sid and the Sharknados]

I’ve always noted two different schools of thought, and this was pre Brexit etc.

- Some Labour supporters who seem more interested in anyone but Tory than anything else, so on that basis alone, very pro PR.

- National Labour politicians and advisors/writers, who think positively about Labour governments under FPTP. Loathed to throw that away forever, unwilling if at all possible to be just one player in coalitions.

I'm not mad keen on our system of electoral dictatorship in general. But that aside, any clear eyed view of our electoral history doesn't suggest aiming for a majority or nothing is a successful strategy for Labour.

 

[Weststander]

I'm not mad keen on our system of electoral dictatorship in general. But that aside, any clear eyed view of our electoral history doesn't suggest aiming for a majority or nothing is a successful strategy for Labour.

I’m not a zealot of either electoral model. PR isn’t a panacea curing all ills. Extreme parties (neo fascists or their opposite) are sometimes players in a coalition, it’s harder to shift the like of Neil Hamilton and Owen Paterson eg they sneak in under a party lists system. You can get log-jammed parliaments mid-term as coalition parties back stab each other.

 

[zefarelly]

Well that was like watching the stupid girl get told off by the Headteacher for single handily bringing down the school's grade average.

Unless you're playing tennis, never trust anyone doing business wearing trainers, especially white ones with piss stains

 

[Guinness Boy]

Da da da da
**** the Tories

Liverpool’s latest terrace ditty. Politics is back on the “terraces”


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[Sid and the Sharknados]

I’m not a zealot of either electoral model. PR isn’t a panacea curing all ills. Extreme parties (neo fascists or their opposite) are sometimes players in a coalition, it’s harder to shift the like of Neil Hamilton and Owen Paterson eg they sneak in under a party lists system. You can get log-jammed parliaments mid-term as coalition parties back stab each other.

Do you think there aren't people in each parliamentary party already who individually could be described as extreme racists or socialists?
I hate party list systems, there are plenty of PR or near PR systems which don't use party lists. I'm going to keep banging on about the Single Transferable Vote system until people stop using that as an objection, or give me a better alternative (and I'm sorry to anybody bored by this any of the previous 4 times I've brought it up).

Our current system of course, never produces log-jammed mid terms .

 

[Guinness Boy]

I’m not a zealot of either electoral model. PR isn’t a panacea curing all ills. Extreme parties (neo fascists or their opposite) are sometimes players in a coalition, it’s harder to shift the like of Neil Hamilton and Owen Paterson eg they sneak in under a party lists system. You can get log-jammed parliaments mid-term as coalition parties back stab each other.

The irony being that the log jam of Brexit only upset the zealots on either side while the country carried on doing ok. But the “decisive action” of Truss has led to the least “strong and stable” Britain since at least the 70s.


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[Weststander]

Do you think there aren't people in each parliamentary party already who individually could be described as extreme racists or socialists?
I hate party list systems, there are plenty of PR or near PR systems which don't use party lists. I'm going to keep banging on about the Single Transferable Vote system until people stop using that as an objection, or give me a better alternative (and I'm sorry to anybody bored by this any of the previous 4 times I've brought it up).

Our current system of course, never produces log-jammed mid terms .

In some European parliaments there are Holocaust deniers, the BNP won council seats under PR, some of the UKIP/Brexit Party officials were Holocaust deniers too …. thankfully they got nowhere near Parliament. Weird fcks who make Truss, Steve Baker and JRM look moderate.

I’d really hate truly extreme peddler's of hate getting anywhere near the Commons.

 

[zefarelly]

In some European parliaments there are Holocaust deniers, the BNP won council seats under PR, some of the UKIP/Brexit Party officials were Holocaust deniers too …. thankfully they got nowhere near Parliament. Weird fcks who make Truss, Steve Baker and JRM look moderate.

I’d really hate truly extreme peddler's of hate getting anywhere near the Commons.

So would I, but that boats sailed, repeatedly over the years. . . Most are experts at keeping it under wraps or thwy wouldn't have got there in the first place.

 

[nicko31]

I’m not a zealot of either electoral model. PR isn’t a panacea curing all ills. Extreme parties (neo fascists or their opposite) are sometimes players in a coalition, it’s harder to shift the like of Neil Hamilton and Owen Paterson eg they sneak in under a party lists system. You can get log-jammed parliaments mid-term as coalition parties back stab each other.

I actually think giving extreme parties some power ultimately weakens them as they then have to perform, imagine of Farage had to actually take responsibility. Just look at what happened to the AFD in Germany...

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

In some European parliaments there are Holocaust deniers, the BNP won council seats under PR, some of the UKIP/Brexit Party officials were Holocaust deniers too …. thankfully they got nowhere near Parliament. Weird fcks who make Truss, Steve Baker and JRM look moderate.

I’d really hate truly extreme peddler's of hate getting anywhere near the Commons.

The BNP won council seats under FPTP systems.

Weirdos can win under any electoral system, if you get to the point where 10% or more are voting for overt holocaust deniers then you've got far more fundamental problems than the voting system.

 

[Weststander]

The irony being that the log jam of Brexit only upset the zealots on either side while the country carried on doing ok. But the “decisive action” of Truss has led to the least “strong and stable” Britain since at least the 70s.


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I look elsewhere, not just at UK politics. There are some really extreme folk sitting in other parliaments, antisemites, people who incite hate, homophobes. I realise UK navel-gazing is the nsc narrative some try to steer us on, but it’s good to look at the true pros and cons of other systems.

I disregard all cringy political slogans and soundbites like that …. all the way back to David Steel, Kenny Everett and Kinnock. Before Brexit became an issue, the UK was split down the middle, it always has been. In a nation of moaners, half the country wouldn’t have said in 1995 or 2005 that the country was doing ok.

Regarding Truss, I said in July/August that it was incredibly (bad) that she was heading for the top job. A classic case of a typically egotistical but lightweight politician listening to the praise from their sycophantic associates, we’ve seen this before “Seize the moment Liz (or William/Ian/Ed/Jeremy/Teresa)”. Then we pay the price.

I voted Remain, Europeans are all our friends imo, my view was that the EU benefits us economically, period.

 

[nicko31]

Beth Rigby on Truss, I almost feel sorry for her

https://news.sky.com/video/in-full-pms-interview-with-beth-rigby-12711935

 

[Weststander]

I actually think giving extreme parties some power ultimately weakens them as they then have to perform, imagine of Farage had to actually take responsibility. Just look at what happened to the AFD in Germany...

I know what you mean, but wasn’t this a sweet moment.



My instinct is that Farage hides inner rage, he’d loved to have punched Al Murray.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Nice avatar

I've gone over to the dark side.

For a bit.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Da da da da
**** the Tories

Liverpool’s latest terrace ditty. Politics is back on the “terraces”


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Beat me to it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I look elsewhere, not just at UK politics. There are some really extreme folk sitting in other parliaments, antisemites, people who incite hate, homophobes. I realise UK navel-gazing is the nsc narrative some try to steer us on, but it’s good to look at the true pros and cons of other systems.

I disregard all cringy political slogans and soundbites like that …. all the way back to David Steel, Kenny Everett and Kinnock. Before Brexit became an issue, the UK was split down the middle, it always has been. In a nation of moaners, half the country wouldn’t have said in 1995 or 2005 that the country was doing ok.

Regarding Truss, I said in July/August that it was incredibly (bad) that she was heading for the top job. A classic case of a typically egotistical but lightweight politician listening to the praise from their sycophantic associates, we’ve seen this before “Seize the moment Liz (or William/Ian/Ed/Jeremy/Teresa)”. Then we pay the price.

I voted Remain, Europeans are all our friends imo, my view was that the EU benefits us economically, period.

On fire tonight. You need this!

 

[Weststander]

The BNP won council seats under FPTP systems.

Weirdos can win under any electoral system, if you get to the point where 10% or more are voting for overt holocaust deniers then you've got far more fundamental problems than the voting system.

I thought they generally won by using fewer candidates than Labour in multi seat wards, the greater Labour vote being more thinly spread between candidates?

For example.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Barking_and_Dagenham_London_Borough_Council_election