Weststander
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Their boss is Norwich City and mocks the Albion.
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[Politics] Liz Truss **RESIGNS 20/10/2022**
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Their boss is Norwich City and mocks the Albion.
No. No it wasn't. It was down to Brexit. Every election since 2015 has been. May screwed up our "democratic" exit and the Tories put forward their Latin stand up comedian and made him learn a three word slogan and repeat it at Labour voters in the north who had also voted for Brexit.
The biggest irony (and, arguably, tragedy) of Brexit is that Corbyn's natural position would be to leave a capitalist conglomerate and Boris's would be to stay in it. Each argued against their personal morals because they feared for the existential position of their treasured political party.
Weststander
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That last bit is very true. Johnson always a Europhile, Corbyn a career critic of a club for capitalist employers and the rich.
By 2019, an unashamed opportunist, opposed by a duplicitous guy who abandoned his beliefs.
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Ms Truss was a Remainer who changed her tune when she came to serve in a government that was resigned to trying anything it could to push Brexit through Parliament.
When that process dragged on for years without progress, calls grew for a second referendum on EU membership. In an interview with LBC’s Eddie Mair, Ms Truss was caught out when trying to dispute the case for another vote.
Mr Mair: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?”
Ms Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds.”
Mr Mair: “You have.”
Ms Truss: “I have, that’s true...”
From an article in the Independent.
When that process dragged on for years without progress, calls grew for a second referendum on EU membership. In an interview with LBC’s Eddie Mair, Ms Truss was caught out when trying to dispute the case for another vote.
Mr Mair: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?”
Ms Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds.”
Mr Mair: “You have.”
Ms Truss: “I have, that’s true...”
From an article in the Independent.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I find it intriguing that no one’s started a “Labour Party Conference” thread …it has started hasn’t it?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Not sure, the Unions might have something today about that.
Tbf she said "people" so there's no real contradiction
What I've read so far is too depressing to start a thread!
I’m a floating voter, latterly voting Lucas. I’m quite excited about what I’ve said all along will happen, a clean start in Dec 2024. I had that feeling in 1997 [forget his pro EU credentials much-loved on nsc …. Major was an awful leader, way out of his depth, Ken Clarke the lone star]. The only potential spanner would be a very disruptive Sturgeon, with a following of just 1.24m yet the ability to screw Starmer’s premiership over 67m souls.
With hindsight (a wonderful thing), austerity was a huge mistake. Brown also had an austerity plan at the 2010 GE, Newsnight last week reminded a Labour politician that the IFS had said at the time something like there was just a narrow margin between all the parties plans in 2010. An interesting summary with graphics here.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/apr/28/general-election-2010-spending-cuts-ifs
The cuts planned by all 2010 GE parties simply weren’t needed, when interest rates were so low. Instead, it should’ve been a Keynesian time for investment. Interestingly this was/is an international issue, Mediterranean countries are still bitter about the austerity imposed (in effect) by Germany. I think you’ve posted along those lines for a long time. I had thought the opposite, caught up in the near universal mood music at the time.
Looking forward again, I think and hope that spending will be directed into THE critical areas eg mental health, non-HS2 rail infrastructure, small nuclear power plants, the NHS (frontline only!), the restoration of closed Sure Start centres, on the NHS and similar staff wages. In a very changed environment now I can’t see the need for private railway companies and energy suppliers, but it’s not a priority. I await sarcastic [MENTION=15734]harry[/MENTION] Wilson’s tackle labelling me a Commie.
Taxation - this is where we probably differ. I don’t believe in taxing high and very high earners until the pips squeak. Not necessarily for an ideological reason, but working in the tax world, you get behavioural changes. For example legitimate tax planning, people moving overseas, or retiring early, cutting back their hours, or just not being incentivised to start that extra project, take that extra risk. I don’t believe in any marginal tax rate which is a deterrent.
Commie b'stard!
nwgull
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It’s not a significant point, but can you really see them dragging out the 5 year term to the max and until December 2025? This would mean a GE in January and campaigning over the Christmas holidays.
Weststander
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They’re all so stage managed these days, dissenting voices don’t seem to attend, each speech a lectern-thumping monologue to an echo, echo, echo chamber.
The last aggro I can remember was the Alastair Campbell version of the Labour Party having bouncers remove the 90 year leftie from the Brighton Centre main auditorium. The bouncers won!
Being a conservative politician is about staying one step behind the flow. Once you become leader you get found out (in post Major times).
There is nothing especially virtuous about finding a position and sticking with it come what Theresa.
However, when the position is at one extreme, blowing in the wind of public whimsy to the other extreme isn't an inspiring look.
Especially when it isn't the public whimsy but some imagined whimsy, deemed by a think tank to be a vote winner.
Weststander
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Isn’t it Dec 24? And yes, the full 5.
The only reason I remember Dec 19 is that it was 3 months before the Mar 20 pandemic turned the world upside down.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Oh I remember that well.
….Does Sir Keir do lectern thumping? Might need to tune in to check
Weststander
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Some ‘big units’ were despatched. In Chicago sport they’d have names like The Freezer, The Walk-In, The Chest.
You really think that either of them thought it through like that?
Johnson backed what he thought would favour his ambition.
Corbyn simply wasn't interested, or paying political attention, and offered no leadership or firm position of any sort, because what passes as his mind was elsewhere. Where? I really don't know. Probably on how best to get to a picket line somewhere using public transport.
No one's stopping you. Feel free.
Has anyone considered the point of view that the Tories are resigned to defeat at the next GE so between now and then it's a case of 'fill your boots' with as much as you can.