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drew

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Liverpool is socialist heartland.

The definition of socialism is:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Not jumping on the bandwagon, just strength through numbers.

:yawn:
 






drew

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If the north stand was priced at £77 from next season, how many fans would say 'doesn't matter. I only buy £27 tickets anyway, and there's plenty of them in the south west corner.'

Sorry, but what is the point of that post? The situation at Liverpool, to compare, is that the prices for the Kop remain the same are are slightly lower for next season.

I sit in WSU but I'm not going to walk out if the club put up the price of a few 1901 seats but my ticket and everyone around me stays the same.
 


drew

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No, that was to illustrate my point: there are areas of the ground that are traditionally areas that certain types of fans want to sit/stand in, and that the £77 tickets could fall into that area. That the attitude that there are cheaper tickets elsewhere in the ground completely ignores that.

Would the fans who like the north stand, fans that have been established in that area over the years be happy that 'their seat' was suddenly out of their price range? Would they like to hear other fans say 'so what? There are cheaper seats elsewhere in the ground'?

Why don't you research where these tickets are then. There are about 1200 out of 54,000, or, to put it another way, 1200 seats that possible weren't there this season so no one could have traditionally sat in them anyway.
 






drew

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are you suggesting the £77 are just going to be randomly sprinkled around the ground? or are they more likely to be in the already premium central seats, where the prawn sanwich and corporate entertainment are? its a fuss over nothing, i wonder how many would walk out due to the price of boxes?

Totally agree.
 


wellquickwoody

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You know those £9 tickets that Liverpool were keen to point out they were offering in their new stand ? Well....

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At £9 I say fair play.
 






Kinky Gerbil

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Its not an entire stand thats being priced at £77. Its about 200 out of 8,500-odd tickets in the new stand.

Is this true...

That is amazing, so they are kicking up a stink over 200 seats?

Tickets are too much, no one can deny that, I pay £1050 for a ST - but I bet the same people would moan if the club doesn't sign XYZ.

Tickets are available elsewhere in the ground for less
 


Easy 10

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Is this true...

That is amazing, so they are kicking up a stink over 200 seats?

Tickets are too much, no one can deny that, I pay £1050 for a ST - but I bet the same people would moan if the club doesn't sign XYZ.

Tickets are available elsewhere in the ground for less

Yup, its just a handful of premium priced seats in one area of the new stand that are in the £77 bracket (according to their Chief Exec Ian Ayre anyway).
 
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Simster

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Tickets are too much, no one can deny that, I pay £1050 for a ST - but I bet the same people would moan if the club doesn't sign XYZ.
Well yes, but the point you're missing is that gate money is now trivial in the grand scheme of things. If the club doesn't sign XYZ, you can be sure it isn't because top end tickets are £55 each rather than £77.
 




drew

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Well yes, but the point you're missing is that gate money is now trivial in the grand scheme of things. If the club doesn't sign XYZ, you can be sure it isn't because top end tickets are £55 each rather than £77.

You're right, because the extra income over the season for that £20 difference would be £24,000.

I don't think Liverpool fans are genuinely protesting about the top end price that only 200 people will pay. It's about the fact that their ticketing committee didn't get their way on a number of other issues.
 


Simster

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Liverpool FC is merely the tip of the iceberg. I don't really know specifically why they are protesting and I'm sure there are politics involved, but if it is under the banner "football is far too expensive" then I'm happy it is receiving the coverage it deserves. Football fans should be sick to the back teeth of unscrupulous profiteering billionaires utterly fleecing fans for short term gain. Man Utd fans should be full square behind them after the disgusting manner they were taken over, and the way they are forced to buy cup tickets. Same goes for Villa fans and the way their owners are bleeding that club dry. And there are so many others.

It is to the FA's shame that we have got to this.

It wouldn't happen in Germany, it really wouldn't.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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You're right, because the extra income over the season for that £20 difference would be £24,000.

I don't think Liverpool fans are genuinely protesting about the top end price that only 200 people will pay. It's about the fact that their ticketing committee didn't get their way on a number of other issues.

Some of the fans I ve seen interviewed want the tickets reduced to £20/£25 over the ground - on the same show on talksport someone mentioned the cost of Brighton tickets.

Again - I am not defending the cost of tickets - but no one is forcing fans to pay the top end prices.
 




Acker79

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Why don't you research where these tickets are then. There are about 1200 out of 54,000, or, to put it another way, 1200 seats that possible weren't there this season so no one could have traditionally sat in them anyway.

So, you don't know where the seats are, either?

Look, I'm not claiming to know everything about the plans. I'm just pointing out it might not be quite as simple as 'so what? There are other seats that are cheaper'.
 


Behind Enemy Lines

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Exactly where in that article does it state, or even imply that directors disagree with the basis of my posts?


I wonder how many of those fans that walked out are being asked to pay the new top priced tickets bearing in mind the new extension has added 8500 seats and the new top price is only in 1200 seats!!

I agree with the overall sentiments that all clubs should be keeping prices low with all the money coming in but I fail to see why Liverpool fans feel so aggrieved when most of them aren't paying anymore next year than they are this year!!

Another example of people jumping on a bandwagon.

You said, and I quote: "think this is a complete non story" which flies in the face of the evidence that clearly is a very big story/issue. As said twice now, it is still getting on for 40% of fans who will pay more - something which you don't think is an issue but Liverpool's own board of directors do and are looking at again because of the walk out on Saturday at Anfield. Those are fans who took action on behalf of Liverpool and for other PL fans who are facing price hikes in tickets.
 


Johnny RoastBeef

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When I first heard about Liverpool fans moaning, I must admit I had little sympathy. What does it have to do with me a Brighton season ticket holder?

Open reflection and having listened to the debate, I have changed my mind and I am now firmly behind the capping, or better yet, the lowering of ticket prices. Not so much in our league, but in the Premier League, which is where I hope we will be next season.

When I go to a match I want to go not only to see the game, but to experience the atmosphere, which is created by the crowd's interaction, the singing and the humours chants. The majority of those who chant and sing are not in the expensive 1901 seats or the corporate boxes, but are sat/stood in the cheap seats, Take the north stand, where to be blunt, the less middle class fans are located. I'm sure this is the same across every ground in the country. Already for us the price is higher than most fans in our league. But we pay it, because we love our team, but what happens if prices continue to rise?

What is happening now, and going on publicly at Liverpool is the thin end of the wedge, the steady erosion of the less financially blessed to be able to afford to support their local team. Leading to a rise in the middle class fan who spends the entire game sat on their hands, not contributing to the event. As time goes by stadiums renown for a cracking atmosphere lose their magic, Anfield is a prime example.

Yes it is not a massive price hike, but it all accumulates year on year, and in five years or ten years it will all add up to be so prohibitively expensive that the average fan, on a moderate income, will no longer be able to attend, and without him or her singing and cheering, what's the point of attending the match at all? When the ground has no atmosphere,we might as well all watch it on TV.

This has been going on for years, but what has happened this year is a blatant disregard for the paying fan. The clubs in the Premier League had an opportunity to tun back the clock and regain the lost atmosphere by encouraging more fans who are prepared to let their hair down at the match. But instead, they have ignored the fact they are about to receive the biggest windfall in Football history. A windfall, let's not forget, that will be paid for by us the fans when BT and Sky raise their subscription charges.

And the Premier League clubs have again stuck two fingers up to the fans by this week vetoing a cap on away fans ticket prices. And missing the opportunity to subsides home fans ticket prices, and to have the temerity to continue to raise them.

Liverpool fans are right,

Enough is Enough!
 


drew

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So, you don't know where the seats are, either?

Look, I'm not claiming to know everything about the plans. I'm just pointing out it might not be quite as simple as 'so what? There are other seats that are cheaper'.

They are in the main stand and will be the Cat A price for 200 seats which will apply to six matches during the season. Capacity next year is 54k so total tickets are 972,000 for next year of which only 1200 are £77.

I don't think it's a case of having to know everything about the pricing structure but the knowing a little more other than the headline price of £77 would help. The press don't help because they go on about the £77 and comments from so called pundits who only read the papers just add to the confusion.

What would be help would be if the fans ticketing committee stated what they were seeking. How many match day tickets reserved for local supporters and what prices they deem acceptable. Also, I think they wanted more kids to get in so how many are they thinking of?
 




drew

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You said, and I quote: "think this is a complete non story" which flies in the face of the evidence that clearly is a very big story/issue. As said twice now, it is still getting on for 40% of fans who will pay more - something which you don't think is an issue but Liverpool's own board of directors do and are looking at again because of the walk out on Saturday at Anfield. Those are fans who took action on behalf of Liverpool and for other PL fans who are facing price hikes in tickets.

Ok, to clarify, what I am saying is a non story is the highlighting of the £77 ticket which, if you look at how many seats it affect is, in my opinion a complete non story. The board at Liverpool are being forced to look at it because of threats to boycott sponsors etc. From a PR point of view they would be stupid to ignore it.
 


drew

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When I first heard about Liverpool fans moaning, I must admit I had little sympathy. What does it have to do with me a Brighton season ticket holder?

Open reflection and having listened to the debate, I have changed my mind and I am now firmly behind the capping, or better yet, the lowering of ticket prices. Not so much in our league, but in the Premier League, which is where I hope we will be next season.

When I go to a match I want to go not only to see the game, but to experience the atmosphere, which is created by the crowd's interaction, the singing and the humours chants. The majority of those who chant and sing are not in the expensive 1901 seats or the corporate boxes, but are sat/stood in the cheap seats, Take the north stand, where to be blunt, the less middle class fans are located. I'm sure this is the same across every ground in the country. Already for us the price is higher than most fans in our league. But we pay it, because we love our team, but what happens if prices continue to rise?

What is happening now, and going on publicly at Liverpool is the thin end of the wedge, the steady erosion of the less financially blessed to be able to afford to support their local team. Leading to a rise in the middle class fan who spends the entire game sat on their hands, not contributing to the event. As time goes by stadiums renown for a cracking atmosphere lose their magic, Anfield is a prime example.

Yes it is not a massive price hike, but it all accumulates year on year, and in five years or ten years it will all add up to be so prohibitively expensive that the average fan, on a moderate income, will no longer be able to attend, and without him or her singing and cheering, what's the point of attending the match at all? When the ground has no atmosphere,we might as well all watch it on TV.

This has been going on for years, but what has happened this year is a blatant disregard for the paying fan. The clubs in the Premier League had an opportunity to tun back the clock and regain the lost atmosphere by encouraging more fans who are prepared to let their hair down at the match. But instead, they have ignored the fact they are about to receive the biggest windfall in Football history. A windfall, let's not forget, that will be paid for by us the fans when BT and Sky raise their subscription charges.

And the Premier League clubs have again stuck two fingers up to the fans by this week vetoing a cap on away fans ticket prices. And missing the opportunity to subsides home fans ticket prices, and to have the temerity to continue to raise them.

Liverpool fans are right,

Enough is Enough!

Sorry, but what price hike are you actually talking about, bearing in mind the club report that 45% of season tickets will be cheaper next year?

I would suggest that the traditional 'working class' fan has already been priced out of the game.
 


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