Liverpool fans protest

[Working class pride]

I'll copy this reply and send it to our office in Liverpool tomorrow. They can laugh their tits off at this. so, of the 50k ish fans in the ground of course none of the. Live in Liverpool, they all live in Norway.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Genius

Can you read my reply and tell me where I said that genius.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The thing that grates about Liverpool with many fans is 1. They bang on about history but fail to understand that winning things doesnt make history, history makes history. Like for example, our own Sussex regiment drilling on the Goldstone 2. They have an equally non local support as Man United 3. Heysel and the resulting ban from the European Cup 4. That they bought their titles by buying players like Mark Lawrenson from clubs like Brighton but when other clubs do it, then its not right and 5. That somehow they are more important than us. As for demonstrations well its just typical of the press, look what Brighton had to do to get on TV (York City) but a few scousers or tourists from Norway walk out and there we go its all over the news.

It's hardly the fault of Liverpool fans from Liverpool that they have a lot of fans from elsewhere. I lived there 14 years and unsurprisingly, the place is full of reds and blues. Many of my friends went to and still go to matches. The city lives and breathes football. I fail to see what they have done in this case that deserves criticism. It is generally accepted that ticket prices are too high whether in Liverpool, Manchester or even down in Brighton. This thread is just an excuse, for some, not all, but some posters to exercise their bigoted views about scousers. 'They whine, they are drama queens, self obsessed, full of their own importance' etc etc. Maybe that is true of some, but hello, look closer to home at some of our own, pretty much every club has a portion of fans who are in that category. People even complain that scousers should stop moaning about Hillsborough. They were proved right. We rightly as a set of fans are proud of our protests which saved our club. Every person who protested, turned up for fans united, sent postcards etc had at least a small part in saving our club. Liverpool is not in danger of going out of existence but the fans should be applauded for peacefully doing something to protest about prices. It seems that most if not all the criticism in this thread is aimed at a perception of the people of Liverpool in and not against the protest.

 

[Brighton Mackem]

I was there yesterday and have total empathy with the Liverpool fans. Your just seen as a cash cow to the club owners and if you get promoted expect the same as a club in a fashionable location.

 

[Working class pride]

It's hardly the fault of Liverpool fans from Liverpool that they have a lot of fans from elsewhere. I lived there 14 years and unsurprisingly, the place is full of reds and blues. Many of my friends went to and still go to matches. The city lives and breathes football. I fail to see what they have done in this case that deserves criticism. It is generally accepted that ticket prices are too high whether in Liverpool, Manchester or even down in Brighton. This thread is just an excuse, for some, not all, but some posters to exercise their bigoted views about scousers. 'They whine, they are drama queens, self obsessed, full of their own importance' etc etc. Maybe that is true of some, but hello, look closer to home at some of our own, pretty much every club has a portion of fans who are in that category. People even complain that scousers should stop moaning about Hillsborough. They were proved right. We rightly as a set of fans are proud of our protests which saved our club. Every person who protested, turned up for fans united, sent postcards etc had at least a small part in saving our club. Liverpool is not in danger of going out of existence but the fans should be applauded for peacefully doing something to protest about prices. It seems that most if not all the criticism in this thread is aimed at a perception of the people of Liverpool in and not against the protest.

Sometimes there is a reason why there is unpopularity and sometimes its good to take it on board. People can either agree or disagree with the five points I've made, but they are 5 reasons why they are unpopular, like it or not. That is not bigotry and dont just throw that word around. As for the protest well pricing is difficult. Until a club is in a situation where they have less people wanting to go than space in the ground, then with players wages what they are, then its difficult. What do they want, less revenue and not buy the centre forward? How about protest at say the wages that Stevie G took off them for all those years? Also some prices have even fallen so is this media hype that follows Liverpool fans. But I agree in a way, its probably not the fans fault that the press fall over themselves to ram their club down non Liverpool fans throats.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I appreciate that there's this thing about Liverpool keeping prices the same (or slightly reducing them for certain matches), but if their season tickets are £700+, then aren't they already charging an extortionate amount?

I wince when I'm asked to pay £30+ for an Albion game, and yes, I know that we charge away fans more than that. If Liverpool are charging £50+ for match tickets, is that somehow OK? It's not like their fans are any richer per capita than ours (possibly the opposite, taking geographical factors into account). I know there's a supply & demand thing going on here, but clubs are getting greedy at every single level, particularly those in the Premier League where they're now earning £99 million per season for the absolute failure of finishing bottom.

Not sure 10,000 people walking out in a total crowd of 44,000 is particularly impactive, but at least they've done something.

 

[clapham_gull]

I was there yesterday and have total empathy with the Liverpool fans. Your just seen as a cash cow to the club owners and if you get promoted expect the same as a club in a fashionable location.

Not sure the owners of one club are to blame. In the Premier League you are watching 90 minutes of millionaires with managers who are often on a lot more.


Don't know who has the answer but it isn't in the hand of the players. One famous ex player pundit has sympathy this weekend whilst another speaks of Man City having to break the bank next season.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Sometimes there is a reason why there is unpopularity and sometimes its good to take it on board. People can either agree or disagree with the five points I've made, but they are 5 reasons why they are unpopular, like it or not. That is not bigotry and dont just throw that word around. As for the protest well pricing is difficult. Until a club is in a situation where they have less people wanting to go than space in the ground, then with players wages what they are, then its difficult. What do they want, less revenue and not buy the centre forward? How about protest at say the wages that Stevie G took off them for all those years? Also some prices have even fallen so is this media hype that follows Liverpool fans. But I agree in a way, its probably not the fans fault that the press fall over themselves to ram their club down non Liverpool fans throats.

I am sorry if you thought the bigot comment was aimed at you. I should have been more clear when I quoted you. That remark is aimed at some of the other comments regarding the character of scousers.

Your 5 reasons are all reasons why some people don't like Liverpool FC. However I take issue with the Lawrenson one as bigger clubs have always paid more than smaller clubs to attract the better players. Bought their way to success? Just like we did when we went up with Mullery. I've read that we had the highest paid squad in the first division so that renders that argument invalid and makes it sound like sour grapes. As for feeling important, are you serious? All football fans up and down the country feel their teams are more important than others, nothing wrong in that!

 

[drew]

I appreciate that there's this thing about Liverpool keeping prices the same (or slightly reducing them for certain matches), but if their season tickets are £700+, then aren't they already charging an extortionate amount?

I wince when I'm asked to pay £30+ for an Albion game, and yes, I know that we charge away fans more than that. If Liverpool are charging £50+ for match tickets, is that somehow OK? It's not like their fans are any richer per capita than ours (possibly the opposite, taking geographical factors into account). I know there's a supply & demand thing going on here, but clubs are getting greedy at every single level, particularly those in the Premier League where they're now earning £99 million per season for the absolute failure of finishing bottom.

Not sure 10,000 people walking out in a total crowd of 44,000 is particularly impactive, but at least they've done something.

They are high compared to ours but I believe they have some of the lowest prices in the Premier league.

So the owners are going to try and milk a bit more money from those fans that are dumb enough (and rich enough) to pay the higher prices yet for an awful lot more the prices are the same or even slightly less. Not sure there were increases from last season either but I'd be interested to see the Liverpool message boards during the transfer windows and see what players they think they should be buying!!!!

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Do you know the pricing structure at Liverpool next season or just the headline figure of £77?

Prices in the Kop last year were £735. Next season it is split into 3 areas with prices of £732, £730 and £725. Junior tickets remain the same across all sections at £180, as per last season. I think seats in Anfield Rd end are lower than last year as well.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-prices-2016-17

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/season-ticket-renewals-2015-16

As for Alan Shearer, I suspect he knows nothing about the pricing structure other than what he has heard, ie £77.

Think this is a complete non story.
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It appears that even Liverpool's own board of directors don't agree with you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...y-after-10000-fans-stage-Anfield-walkout.html

 

[Pavilionaire]

I support the Liverpool fans. Every TV deal has benefitted the players, the fans are never even considered. We've reached a tipping point. With football really taking off in China then the Prem clubs will get even more money.

 

[drew]

It appears that even Liverpool's own board of directors don't agree with you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...y-after-10000-fans-stage-Anfield-walkout.html

Exactly where in that article does it state, or even imply that directors disagree with the basis of my posts?


I wonder how many of those fans that walked out are being asked to pay the new top priced tickets bearing in mind the new extension has added 8500 seats and the new top price is only in 1200 seats!!

I agree with the overall sentiments that all clubs should be keeping prices low with all the money coming in but I fail to see why Liverpool fans feel so aggrieved when most of them aren't paying anymore next year than they are this year!!

Another example of people jumping on a bandwagon.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Exactly where in that article does it state, or even imply that directors disagree with the basis of my posts?


I wonder how many of those fans that walked out are being asked to pay the new top priced tickets bearing in mind the new extension has added 8500 seats and the new top price is only in 1200 seats!!

I agree with the overall sentiments that all clubs should be keeping prices low with all the money coming in but I fail to see why Liverpool fans feel so aggrieved when most of them aren't paying anymore next year than they are this year!!

Another example of people jumping on a bandwagon.

Perhaps the perceived hike is just the catalyst for action. Again, surely most fans would agree that we have been taken advantage of by the clubs/players over the past twenty years or so? So why not 'jump on the bandwagon' and make a real countrywide protest? At least the Liverpool fans are doing something.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Exactly where in that article does it state, or even imply that directors disagree with the basis of my posts?


I wonder how many of those fans that walked out are being asked to pay the new top priced tickets bearing in mind the new extension has added 8500 seats and the new top price is only in 1200 seats!!

I agree with the overall sentiments that all clubs should be keeping prices low with all the money coming in but I fail to see why Liverpool fans feel so aggrieved when most of them aren't paying anymore next year than they are this year!!

Another example of people jumping on a bandwagon.

Liverpool is socialist heartland.

The definition of socialism is:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Not jumping on the bandwagon, just strength through numbers.

 

[Easy 10]

You know those £9 tickets that Liverpool were keen to point out they were offering in their new stand ? Well....

 

[Wozza]

Exactly where in that article does it state, or even imply that directors disagree with the basis of my posts?

You said it was a non-story.

I guess BEL is suggesting that's not the case given that the club is now going to consider a review...

 

[Acker79]

If the north stand was priced at £77 from next season, how many fans would say 'doesn't matter. I only buy £27 tickets anyway, and there's plenty of them in the south west corner.'

 

[Easy 10]

If the north stand was priced at £77 from next season, how many fans would say 'doesn't matter. I only buy £27 tickets anyway, and there's plenty of them in the south west corner.'

Its not an entire stand thats being priced at £77. Its about 200 out of 8,500-odd tickets in the new stand.

 

[Acker79]

Its not an entire stand thats being priced at £77. Its about 200 out of 8,500-odd tickets in the new stand.

No, that was to illustrate my point: there are areas of the ground that are traditionally areas that certain types of fans want to sit/stand in, and that the £77 tickets could fall into that area. That the attitude that there are cheaper tickets elsewhere in the ground completely ignores that.

Would the fans who like the north stand, fans that have been established in that area over the years be happy that 'their seat' was suddenly out of their price range? Would they like to hear other fans say 'so what? There are cheaper seats elsewhere in the ground'?

 

[Easy 10]

No, that was to illustrate my point: there are areas of the ground that are traditionally areas that certain types of fans want to sit/stand in, and that the £77 tickets could fall into that area. That the attitude that there are cheaper tickets elsewhere in the ground completely ignores that.

Would the fans who like the north stand, fans that have been established in that area over the years be happy that 'their seat' was suddenly out of their price range? Would they like to hear other fans say 'so what? There are cheaper seats elsewhere in the ground'?

I'm no apologist for ticketing prices, they are absolutely ridiculous these days in the PL in particular, especially given the new TV deal which will leave clubs awash with untold millions from next season.

But every stadium will always have a proportion of premium priced tickets. I was initially shocked at the £77 headline ticket price the fans there were protesting about in that new stand - until I heard that its actually only a couple of hundred tickets that are in that £77 bracket, less than 0.5% of the stadiums capacity. I'd quite like to sit at the front of the ESU dead central, but the prices there are a bit steep for me, so I sit elsewhere. Doesn't mean I feel the need to use it as a stick to beat the club with. Everyone has different budgets.

 

[beorhthelm]

No, that was to illustrate my point: there are areas of the ground that are traditionally areas that certain types of fans want to sit/stand in, and that the £77 tickets could fall into that area. That the attitude that there are cheaper tickets elsewhere in the ground completely ignores that.

are you suggesting the £77 are just going to be randomly sprinkled around the ground? or are they more likely to be in the already premium central seats, where the prawn sanwich and corporate entertainment are? its a fuss over nothing, i wonder how many would walk out due to the price of boxes?