[Football] Liverpool are the next club to announce furloughing non playing staff.
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Kalimantan Gull
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I can only assume that if the government had more time to develop a furlough scheme, it would only make companies eligible if they did not have substantial profits or if dividends to shareholders were restricted. And it would have had to make the laying-off of employees during this period illegal, regardless of whether a company qualified or not.
But they didn't have time, and ultimately, without the no-redundancy clause the more restrictions they put on companies the more people would have lost their job . We are having a go at Spurs, Newcastle and Liverpool for claiming what they are legally-entitled to - if they weren't legally entitled how much fuss would we be making if they instead made 10-20 people redundant? I expect it wouldn't even be a story
But they didn't have time, and ultimately, without the no-redundancy clause the more restrictions they put on companies the more people would have lost their job . We are having a go at Spurs, Newcastle and Liverpool for claiming what they are legally-entitled to - if they weren't legally entitled how much fuss would we be making if they instead made 10-20 people redundant? I expect it wouldn't even be a story
Kalimantan Gull
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I have to say I am in line with all the people wondering why its just football clubs getting it in the neck. British Airways have furlughed 30,000 staff but I bet they will be spending 100's of millions in new planes sometime in the near future. Transfer fees are just business expenses for football clubs just like any other companies investments in equipment, property or vehicles, without which they couldn't function.
What I'm looking out for is all those companies who keep their tax affairs offshore and pay the bare minimum to the inland revenue, which of those is furloughing workers and claiming the tax relief? As far as I'm aware football clubs pay the tax that they owe, as they all have to be registered here.
I agree to a certain extent. I think the thing that pisses me off about PL clubs bleating is that their salaries are massively inflated and
obscene. I don't think you can say the same thing about buying new planes, which is kind of essential to airlines really - can you? It is these
obscenities and fat salaries, because of the money sloshing around football, that annoys people. The average salary of the person going to watch it is
probably less than a third of the average PL weekly salary.
Terry Butcher Tribute Act
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Worse than that, he's suggested in a reply that it's a better alternative than spending less on wages/transfers, which they would be criticised for.
Has the world gone ****ing mad that people are being brainwashed into thinking that it's better to take a state bailout that's intended for those suddenly made redundant in these difficult times and one which should help to keep the economy alive, than it is to have a bit less money available to spend more erratic wingers from Belgium and Championship centre backs who can pass the ball quite nicely?!
Jesus ****ing Christ
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Wardy's twin
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It is pretty clear to me the government attacked the footballers because they were an easy target to deflect their own major mistakes in dealing with the virus. Have to agree though that football has been its own worst enemy with 5 PL clubs furloughing their support staff and dickheads like Kyle Walker flaunting his wealth and ignoring social distancing.
Kalimantan Gull
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I've always taken the contrary view on footballer's salaries, that they are fully justified and, together with other sportsmen, I reckon its actually the only real global example of socialism in action - because only in football do the workers on the shop floor receive the riches that their efforts have garnered.
Everywhere else the people who make the product or provide the service are the lowest paid, and their managers and directors and shareholders get the bulk of the profits that the worker's efforts have produced. Now granted playing football is not an 'important' job, like a nurse or a teacher, but it is a job that generates millions of pounds of income, and it is the players who do the work, that produce the product that generates the massive income, and they get to keep most of it themselves.
Like I say, a contrary view. But the money is still being made, if it doesn't go to the players then it will go to the owners. Obviously it could also go to the fans by doing away with ticket prices, but that would be serious socialism, and I don't think our world is ready for that
Kalimantan Gull
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Its a very competitive cut-throat business, premier league football. If someone offers you an advantage and you don't take it, if you allow others to get a jump on you, well then you'll not be playing premier league football much longer.
and in answer to your question, the world went ****ing mad a long time ago. We've already been brainwashed into thinking its fun to watch a bunch of people kicking a ball around, everything else just flows from that....
And to your specific question yes it is morally wrong to take the bailout. But I refer you back to the cut-throat nature of top-level football, morals have never been on full display. If they weren't taking the bailout, have no doubt that they would be making people redundant. But that applies to more than just football clubs.
I see BT have been good today though, not furloughing any staff and their chief exec taking a pay cut. Now we are in the 'image'-war
Wrong-Direction
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Why on earth is Matt Hancock attempting to whip up resentment and hatred towards footballers rather than concentrating all his efforts on dealing with the coronavirus crisis?
Why are corporate billionaires, mega-rich CEOs, bankers, hedge fund managers and the like not being similarly harangued by the Tory government to hand over 30% of their income?
Why no condemnation from Hancock for his Tory party colleague Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose investment fund is gleefully briefing their investors about their plan to use the coronavirus economic crisis to raid struggling small and medium businesses?
Government ministers are putting pressure on footballers to take an instant pay cut, but no pressure on billionaires and city speculators to do the same, and there's no pressure on Rees-Mogg to quit his disaster capitalist exploitation of other people's misfortunes either.
Why the disparity?
The answer is pretty damned obvious. An awful lot of footballers come from poor and ordinary backgrounds, and they've engaged in physical labour to make their riches, and climb the social mobility ladder.
Tories are revolted at the idea of working class people coming good through their own hard work and determination. They detest social mobility and think the riches rightfully belong to the super-rich establishment class that they belong to and represent the interests of in politics.
Greedy billionaires and city speculators absolutely bankroll the Tory party, and they're certainly not going to turn on their own MPs for their sick exploitative behaviour.
But they need a distraction from their own lamentable handling of the crisis, so they turn on footballers, trying to whip up a tsunami of public hate, and blame, and resentment.
The Tories need the distraction, and footballers make the ideal target in their minds because they're utterly repulsed by "the working class lad done good" social mobility that the football world provides.
In the long run though I'm not sure it's a fantastically smart move for the Tory party to make enemies of people with tens of millions of social media followers, just in order to create a quick distraction from their own dreadful incompetence.
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Why are corporate billionaires, mega-rich CEOs, bankers, hedge fund managers and the like not being similarly harangued by the Tory government to hand over 30% of their income?
Why no condemnation from Hancock for his Tory party colleague Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose investment fund is gleefully briefing their investors about their plan to use the coronavirus economic crisis to raid struggling small and medium businesses?
Government ministers are putting pressure on footballers to take an instant pay cut, but no pressure on billionaires and city speculators to do the same, and there's no pressure on Rees-Mogg to quit his disaster capitalist exploitation of other people's misfortunes either.
Why the disparity?
The answer is pretty damned obvious. An awful lot of footballers come from poor and ordinary backgrounds, and they've engaged in physical labour to make their riches, and climb the social mobility ladder.
Tories are revolted at the idea of working class people coming good through their own hard work and determination. They detest social mobility and think the riches rightfully belong to the super-rich establishment class that they belong to and represent the interests of in politics.
Greedy billionaires and city speculators absolutely bankroll the Tory party, and they're certainly not going to turn on their own MPs for their sick exploitative behaviour.
But they need a distraction from their own lamentable handling of the crisis, so they turn on footballers, trying to whip up a tsunami of public hate, and blame, and resentment.
The Tories need the distraction, and footballers make the ideal target in their minds because they're utterly repulsed by "the working class lad done good" social mobility that the football world provides.
In the long run though I'm not sure it's a fantastically smart move for the Tory party to make enemies of people with tens of millions of social media followers, just in order to create a quick distraction from their own dreadful incompetence.
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Liverpool challenged by Spirit of Shankly fan group over staff furlough
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rit-of-shankly-fan-group-over-staff-furloughs
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rit-of-shankly-fan-group-over-staff-furloughs
Decision reversed.
Shamed into doing so by adverse response.
That's all right, then
Shamed into doing so by adverse response.
That's all right, then
ESPN - Liverpool won't use government funds to help pay furloughed staff members
https://www.espn.com/soccer/liverpo...-pay-furloughed-staff-members?linkId=85939074
https://www.espn.com/soccer/liverpo...-pay-furloughed-staff-members?linkId=85939074
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Shamed and embarrassed into a swift u-turn after reaping the reaction. They've belatedly made the right decision, but not before their true colours had been shown. What a monumental PR disaster.
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Yes quite, but at least they still did right in the end.
The same can't be said of Spurs, Newcastle and Bournemouth, yet.
Surport Local Team
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Liverpool only did it to further their cause, they want the season to finish more than anyone soo need support. Pi55ing everyone off if they did not u turn would only make it harder to get momentum when the time comes too persuading backing to finish the season off!
I believe if u want government support to furlong then fine but everyone in the company is furlonged including players in this instant. BA furlonged well paid pilots as well as cleaners. Liverpool only did low paid workers not footballers, should be all!!
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Green Cross Code Man
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Decision reversed.
Shamed into doing so by adverse response.
That's all right, then
Well, to learn from a mistake however shameful, is still preferable than carrying on in an indefensible manner.
Glawstergull
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Furlong= a distance equal to one sixth of a mile.
Furlough= a leave of absence
cjd
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I so agree with you.
Liverpool were cynical in their first decision to furlough their staff so they could spend another 100 million in the transfer window and then cynical in their decision today, to reverse it having realised that any goodwill towards them finishing the season almost evaporated overnight.
A disgusting Football Club.