[Football] Liverpool are the next club to announce furloughing non playing staff.

[Hampster Gull]

Just a different sports angle into the debate. McLaren F1, who have a similar turnover to a mid to low EPL team have gone down the furloughing route but all staff taking a cut along similar lines, and the drivers McLaren drivers Lando Norris and Carlos Sainz have volunteered a similar cut. #together

“ McLaren drivers Lando Norris and Carlos Sainz are to take a pay cut as the team put some staff on furlough during the coronavirus crisis.

McLaren are the first team to ask some of their workforce to take an enforced absence. Those employees who remain at work will have their salary reduced.

The drivers volunteered to take the same rate of reduction as other staff when they were informed.

McLaren said the measures were "focused on protecting jobs in the short term".”

 

[Dick Head]

Everyone: Footballers should take pay cuts *fume, seethe*

Jacob Rees-Mogg:

 

[Nixonator]

No surprises here.

Disgusting football club.

 

[wellquickwoody]

It seems people expect Tony to take the whole financial hit, which given what we owe him, doesn't sit well with me.


If we had been making a profit ( like Liverpool ) then perhaps that would be different.

Personally I do not expect TB to take the ‘hit’. He is going to take a hit like all of us, in relative terms. What I hope happens is that he talks to the players, and they mutually agree to temporarily subsidise the non playing staff from the players wages.

That arrangement cannot last long term, but a refusal by the players to at least do this for three months would be damning.

 

[Hampster Gull]

They are just not getting it. Some extracts from Rooney

the real reasons are that it will financially ruin some
we're easy targets
What gets lost is that half our wages get taken by the taxman
big stars from other sports...are not being scrutinised
football is in a far worse position than any of us imagined
At the moment it's almost a free-for-all

Defensive, pig in a trough

 

[Stat Brother]

They are just not getting it. Some extracts from Rooney

the real reasons are that it will financially ruin some
we're easy targets
What gets lost is that half our wages get taken by the taxman
big stars from other sports...are not being scrutinised
football is in a far worse position than any of us imagined
At the moment it's almost a free-for-all

Defensive, pig in a trough

Naturally I don't know the inner workings of the tax system let alone footballers tax liability, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not wrong.

Premier League footballers are all resident here so I assume they must pay the highest rate of tax.

The same can't be said for all the sport stars, actors, etc shacked in Monte Carlo and the like.

The less said about global businesses and thoughts that run them the better.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Naturally I don't know the inner workings of the tax system let alone footballers tax liability, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not wrong.

Premier League footballers are all resident here so I assume they must pay the highest rate of tax.

The same can't be said for all the sport stars, actors, etc shacked in Monte Carlo and the like.

The less said about global businesses and thoughts that run them the better.

misses the point

 

[Glawstergull]

misses the point

By a 100 miles

 

[dangull]

To be fair, Jurgen Klopp has tweeted that he thinks this is wrong as well.

 

[father_and_son]

To be fair, Jurgen Klopp has tweeted that he thinks this is wrong as well.

...and offered to do what?

 

[Stat Brother]

misses the point

When the Tories and their gimps start demanding players money, instead of their billionaire employers, it strikes me as more than a touch of:-

'these working class thickos, who didn't go to Eton and OxBridge, don't deserve all that money'.


and when us paupers do it, it has a similar ring of jealousy.


I've walked past plenty of beggars with money in my pocket and not given them anything.
With that in mind I don't believe it's right for me to demand others cough up their money.
It all seems a little two-faced.

 

[PeterOut]

When the Tories and their gimps start demanding players money, instead of their billionaire employers, it strikes me as more than a touch of:-

'these working class thickos, who didn't go to Eton and OxBridge, don't deserve all that money'.


and when us paupers do it, it has a similar ring of jealousy.


I've walked past plenty of beggars with money in my pocket and not given them anything.
With that in mind I don't believe it's right for me to demand others cough up their money.
It all seems a little two-faced.

The point for me is that professional football clubs are asking you and me (assuming you are a tax payer too) to cough up money.
They stop paying their employees, so tax payers (you, me and all the others) then pay 80% of the wages - in this case, as season ticket holders, twice.
The employees lose, we as tax payers lose. The club owners win.
Only problem is, once all the dust settles, it will be us as season ticket holders who pay more to re-fill the coffers.
At the moment, TB is a cut above some of the so-called 'top clubs', but his pockets are not limitless, we all know it takes a lot of cash to survive, never mind thrive in football these days.
Regardless, I personally will be willing to stand an increased cost over the next few years rather than see hundreds of staff at our club be furloughed (again, I know we are not at the point of furloughing staff yet).

 

[Lower West Stander]

They are just not getting it. Some extracts from Rooney

the real reasons are that it will financially ruin some
we're easy targets
What gets lost is that half our wages get taken by the taxman
big stars from other sports...are not being scrutinised
football is in a far worse position than any of us imagined
At the moment it's almost a free-for-all

Defensive, pig in a trough

That Rooney article was an absolute pile of crap from start to finish.

The tax argument is rubbish as well. If they feel that strongly about it just use some of their reduced wages or the silly bonuses they get for scoring goal every 20 games or whatever to cover the shortfall. Sunak is giving the NHS and the self employed as much financial help as he can, I’m sure Rooney can forego some of his ridiculous wealth to do his bit. It’s just a smokescreen.

I pay good money to see these overpaid clowns kick a ball about for 90 minutes 18 times a season. In return they get paid a fortune and we get abysmal excuses as to why they don’t want to take a pay cut.

Pathetic the lot of them. Absolutely pathetic.


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[pauli cee]

There is a little bit of history between the Sun and the bin dippers
Just in case, you might not be old enough to remember

Yep, unfortunately I remember it only too well, hence the horse, bolted comment

 

[sully]

That Rooney article was an absolute pile of crap from start to finish.

The tax argument is rubbish as well. If they feel that strongly about it just use some of their reduced wages or the silly bonuses they get for scoring goal every 20 games or whatever to cover the shortfall. Sunak is giving the NHS and the self employed as much financial help as he can, I’m sure Rooney can forego some of his ridiculous wealth to do his bit. It’s just a smokescreen.

I pay good money to see these overpaid clowns kick a ball about for 90 minutes 18 times a season. In return they get paid a fortune and we get abysmal excuses as to why they don’t want to take a pay cut.

Pathetic the lot of them. Absolutely pathetic.


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What he also fails to realise is that re-distributing his money is actually tax efficient as the lower paid will get a bigger percentage of it than he does. He really is an ignorant idiot, isn’t he?

 

[dazzer6666]

The whole PFA stance around reduced tax-take directly impacting the NHS is horseshit and they know it. The issue is that emergency action is needed now to protect the jobs of their fellow employees.

I get the players not wanting the owners to benefit, all they need to do is agree with the clubs that their wage reductions are ringfenced to fund the wages of those that would otherwise be furloughed. Any excess can be handed directly to the NHS, charities that are desperate etc etc.

 

[Bra]

And all the while the players and their union delay and find excuses to avoid cuts the England cricket teams take a cut and agree on how the money is used. Not difficult just requires them to demonstrate they care about something other than their lifestyles.

 

[Glawstergull]

I don’t subscribe to this rich owner thing. When the TV companies want their money back because this season can’t be finished or even if it is us numpty’s don’t consider it important and don’t pay, the players will find there isn’t any money. At present I don’t care who wins or who gets relegated. Come July/august I’ll just want a holiday.

 

[Creaky]

F**king slimy f**king scum.

If they are paid £500m less (per annum) and this loses £200 million in tax (per annum). (Because yes, they all pay 40% tax.)

But if half of that money were used to protect non-playing wages, thus negating the need for 500 people per club drawing from government funds (say, 500 people X 20 clubs X £2k X 12 months = £240m)

So actually, you could comfortably balance the loss of HMRC revenue with the reduction in drawdowns on the emergency funds *AND* those 10,000 will be paying tax and so it actually works in HMRC's favour!!

And that is only allocating HALF of what could be available. Pay £125m to lower leagues in solidarity payments (and not advance but PAY) and you still have a pot of around £125m for the NHS.

The f**king c**ts at the PFA are pretending their members are doing the right thing by not helping and yet they are just using flawed arguments and dodgy maths to continue to earn millions while people, already on low wages, drop to 80%, paid for by people worried about their own jobs.

Utter f**king b*llsh*t.

Morally bankrupt scum!

Whilst I may agree with your sentiments your maths is way out - the top tax rate is 45% - the club pays an additional 13.8% in NI contributions and players pay 2% NI on income over the upper NI limit. A total of over 60% of headline income.

Using your simple sums the treasury would lose out by about £60m.

 

[Icy Gull]