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[Football] Leeds owner calls for Premier League 2



El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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I think the Championship should be rebranded PREMIER LEAGUE GOLD.

This would be a 'retro' division exclusively filled by those old, giant / massive clubs who have fallen on hard times but who we used to love back in the day. I propose a 'Prem-style' 20-team division including - amongst others - fallen giants Leeds Utd, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest, Derby County, Middlesbrough, Sheffield Wednesday and Bolton Wanderers.Those clubs should feel more at home here than in the shiny, modern, fiscally responsible Premier League.

Live coverage could be presented by Richard Keys and Andy Gray.

I think they would smash it in terms of ratings.
 






Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
62,416
Location Location
From next season at £5.3bn, it's Amazon, BT and Sky.

Amazon, BT and Sky are not going to pay BILLIONS to show Sheffield Wednesday vs Preston. They already tuck the deadwood PL fixtures like Cardiff v Burnley away on weekends when they know everyone will be watching the golf.

Added to that, when exactly are they going to show all these "PL2" games, being as the entire weekend is already taken up with top flight fixtures (and are already showing Championship games in amongst it all) ?

Give it up fella. You idea is about as viable as a pulled pork bap stall at a bar mitzvah.
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,455
Sussex by the Sea
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I hope Leeds get all the cash they deserve.
 


clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,876
It's not that mad an idea. It does suffer from the appalling television coverage, I think now hosted by Alan Partridge on UK Conquest.

The championship reward is promotion to the big one, but it's still lumped in with "non Premier League".

If nothing else the bloke is probably having a pop at the Football League which could arguably could do a much better job.

Who the f### signed off the highlights package to Quest TV ?

It's worth much more than that.





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sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
My first game watching the Albion was 1968. It was-
Division One
Division Two
Division Three
Division Four
It worked well then, until people started messing about with it.
Certainly did but it was a lower class sport then with money not being that important unlike now !
Average players earning shiteloads and the standard of football is going backwards it seems.Just look at the international football which is just so dull and boring.

Until we get rid of the money money money mentality it will continue to get worse !!
 




Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
I think the Championship should be rebranded PREMIER LEAGUE GOLD.

This would be a 'retro' division exclusively filled by those old, giant / massive clubs who have fallen on hard times but who we used to love back in the day. I propose a 'Prem-style' 20-team division including - amongst others - fallen giants Leeds Utd, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest, Derby County, Middlesbrough, Sheffield Wednesday and Bolton Wanderers.Those clubs should feel more at home here than in the shiny, modern, fiscally responsible Premier League.

Live coverage could be presented by Richard Keys and Andy Gray.

That would be great. They could play with old style leather footballs on those pitches that looked like they'd had a herd of cows grazing on them for the past six months. And, of course, old style cautions so that sendings-off were reserved for cases of mutilation or death.

It would be a winner.
 








Iggle Piggle

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Sep 3, 2010
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Championship games are deliberately scheduled at the same time as BT Premier league games as a means to stopping the sky customer getting BT with an alternate product on show. If the Championship becomes PL2, I'm not sure the games will be on at the same time for obvious reasons meaning either less will be shown on the tellybox or more and more ridiculous KO times to squeeze them in. Given that, not sure where the extra revenue is.

The Leeds chairman wants more dosh and in his shoes I'd say he has a point given they are on Sky as much as Eastenders is on the BBC. That said, he will have few agreeing with him from either the Premier league (self interest, keep the huge pot between 20 not 40 teams) or the EFL who would have trouble shifting Rotherham V Millwall to the average punter. I really can't see it happening.
 




Sorrel

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Jul 5, 2003
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Back in East Sussex
It's not about rebranding, it's about getting some of the money from the Premier League and then not giving any, or less than is currently the case, to the lower divisions. The effect it would have would be to push the unrealistic dreams clubs back down a division, where the same thing that happens now in the Championship will take place in what is now League one.

However, the Premier League will not vote to hand over more of their money to the division below unless they think there is a need to do so. It seems to me that they are doing just fine, so they won't do it.
 


El Presidente

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A few points... firstly, if the league finished as it is, and there were 20 teams in Premier League 2, then Preston wouldn't feature. No disrespect to them if they did finish high enough to stay up on merit... Being a smaller club hasn't stopped Bournemouth, ourselves and others from being worthy and entertaining additions to the top league.

Secondly, if there were a PL2, it would allow the Premier League to sell more games without moving around even more fixtures from PL1.. They could be shown whenever seems most appropriate and made part of the packages that the Premier League sells.

This is all an idea of an example of course... but when you have such a widely watched second tier football with a range of clubs well known all over the world... making the most of it by branding and selling it, like we have with the top division, is surely not a silly idea. It's a smart one that could benefit clubs of all sizes, and the national team too.

We are LUCKY in this country to be so marketable. We really are. It is not that we are the most entertaining league in the world... nor the best, probably... it is all about branding, we're the best at that... and that's why the Premier League is the richest.

It’s unresearched and ill thought out.

There’s no evidence that viewers overseas will watch in their droves Derby v Boro or Brentford v Forest, in exactly the same way they don’t watch La Liga or Serie A here unless it involves the top few clubs.
 


father_and_son

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Jan 23, 2012
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Big is an understatement. We have Premier League and European champions in there. 3rd highest attendances in Europe after the Premier league & Bundesliga.

It might be slightly ambitious, but these are clubs that people all over the world have heard of (and may even support). If The Premier League included The Premier League 2 into its sale of TV packages - the likes of Amazon, BT and Sky would get more games for their money. The likes of Facebook are also interested in acquiring games, not to mention other streaming services in the future.

People don't just watch football (or any sport) to watch the best of the best. People like to watch clubs and players that they have heard of... The Premier League 2 would have that.

But the teams are there, playing each other, in the Championship and none of the existing subscription TV companies or internet streaming giants are banging on doors, throwing money at the EFL to show Championship games.

Really unsure why you think that changing the name of the league and tinkering with the number of games suddenly generates additional interest.

You say its the teams people want to see but the teams aren't being rebranded... just the league.

What is fundamentally changing to magic the extra interest (or money) in a league that is already very popular but not popular enough to spend billions on??
 




Javeaseagull

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Feb 22, 2014
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It’s unresearched and ill thought out.

There’s no evidence that viewers overseas will watch in their droves Derby v Boro or Brentford v Forest, in exactly the same way they don’t watch La Liga or Serie A here unless it involves the top few clubs.
You know very well that the clubs being talked about are after a bigger slice of the Premier cake. Good luck with that. It is a finite sum of money that the big boys are going to keep it to themselves. Little old Brighton are going to struggle to hang on to their share, never mind the Championship. Dog eat dog?
 


drew

Drew
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Oct 3, 2006
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A few points... firstly, if the league finished as it is, and there were 20 teams in Premier League 2, then Preston wouldn't feature. No disrespect to them if they did finish high enough to stay up on merit... Being a smaller club hasn't stopped Bournemouth, ourselves and others from being worthy and entertaining additions to the top league.

Secondly, if there were a PL2, it would allow the Premier League to sell more games without moving around even more fixtures from PL1.. They could be shown whenever seems most appropriate and made part of the packages that the Premier League sells.

This is all an idea of an example of course... but when you have such a widely watched second tier football with a range of clubs well known all over the world... making the most of it by branding and selling it, like we have with the top division, is surely not a silly idea. It's a smart one that could benefit clubs of all sizes, and the national team too.

We are LUCKY in this country to be so marketable. We really are. It is not that we are the most entertaining league in the world... nor the best, probably... it is all about branding, we're the best at that... and that's why the Premier League is the richest.

None of this makes any sense.
 


Seagull85

Member
Apr 21, 2009
98
Ok I've solved it;

Scrap the different leagues, let's have one gigantic Premier League of 92 teams, each season will consist of 182 games, this should solve the big club stuck in a little league issue.

There will be no international break as each team will need to play a game every other day to ensure they fulfil the fixture list, at the end of each season the bottom team is disbanded into non-league misery.

We can look at including Celtic and Rangers in the future as they are clearly to big for the Scottish league as well.

Thoughts?
 


mikeyjh

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Dec 17, 2008
4,607
Llanymawddwy
You know very well that the clubs being talked about are after a bigger slice of the Premier cake. Good luck with that. It is a finite sum of money that the big boys are going to keep it to themselves. Little old Brighton are going to struggle to hang on to their share, never mind the Championship. Dog eat dog?

Maybe you're right, such a shame that the big boys are so narrow minded, shame they don't realise the importance of the pyramid below the PL, lose that and the league somewhat loses it's appeal - It's where capitalism and football (and sport) don't work. You grow and grow, outgrow the opposition, make your club super dominant, you have consumed the competition, then what? What is the point?
 




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