Leeds appeal dismissed !

[Easy 10]

he now has a debt free club, with a relatively good squad and several wealthy people lining up buy the club.

and that was what was behind this from the very start.

Well the -15 has pleased me for now.
Now if Denis Wise could just have some kind of unpleasant accident that involves broken bones and permanent scarring, this will have been a pretty good run-up to the season.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

How many points do people think Leeds will get with their current squad

If they win enough games to usually take a play off place, then they would accumulate say 77. Take off the 15 and that screws that up.

If they win only enough games that would take them to mid table, that would be about 70-58. 15 points off that total might be enough to send them down.

So it might be a bit dodgy for them, esp as every team in this league will see it as the biggest game in years and will up it against them.

 

[Easy 10]

Add in the fact that its the bottom FOUR that go down in this league as well...

Marvellous.

 

[severnside gull]

They will finish conmfortably in mid table - the penalty is another season in League 1 which is being let of lightly when all is said and done.

As Starry says there is more to come both in court and out and unless I read it wrong, if they don't resolve the tax issue they could still be forced out of business.
Before that of course, Bates will sell up on his terms and at a very healthy profit.

Just don't slag Dick Tight off too much because when Bates goes looking for his next club/victim.................:thud:

 

[Caveman]

What we want is a hand full of poor results early doors for Leeds and that would really cement their season.

*Snigger*

 

[Da Man Clay]

What we want is a hand full of poor results early doors for Leeds and that would really cement their season.

*Snigger*

That is quite possible though, takes a while for a team to gel (Millwall last year anyone) and considering they have only had a week to prepare for the season it could take a while to get up and running, add that to the fact everyone will want to beat Leeds they could well have a very tough season.

 

[pornomagboy]

and rotherham last season..... all it takes is all the teams above leeds to start winning and leeds lose a few then it becomes a up hill struggle from there on

 

[coventrygull]

How many teams have survived with a large points deduction. I can only think of Crawley Town last season.

 

[scooter1]

tee hee

 

[Yoda]

They COULD still go down. Basically, they now have to get 67 points just to stay up. If they get off to a bad start, and it takes them 10-12 games just to wipe out the penalty, then the pressure will be on and hopefully they will stay down there.

It took Fiorentina 8 games last season to get back to 0. Look where they finished up.

Think this league will be a bit tighter than Serie A last season though.

 

[Easy 10]

The 21st placed team last season went down on 47 points. Leeds will pretty much need to hit top 10 form to avoid the drop. But that 15 point defecit is, I think, going to have a big psychological effect, as its quite a chasm they;ve got to close right from the off, and if teams above them keep winning, as they found last season its immensely difficult to pull clear.

Dunno what the bookies are offering now for them to make the drop. I bet they;re not being very generous though.

 

[NS Herald]

According to 606 here are the the 16 clubs that voted for them

Bradford City
Burnley
Colchester United
Darlington
Gillingham
Ipswich Town
Nottingham Forest
Plymouth Argyle
Queens Park Rangers
Sheffield United
Sheffield Wednesday
Stockport County
Stoke City
Swindon Town
Watford
Wrexham

 

[readingstockport]

According to 606 here are the the 16 clubs that voted for them

Bradford City
Burnley
Colchester United
Darlington
Gillingham
Ipswich Town
Nottingham Forest
Plymouth Argyle
Queens Park Rangers
Sheffield United
Sheffield Wednesday
Stockport County
Stoke City
Swindon Town
Watford
Wrexham

Well I have it direct from a member of our board that that list is wrong. There were 2 voites. 1 was should there be a sanction, County voted YES. 2 was is the 15 point sanction correct, County voted NO on the grounds that the penalty should in fact have been HIGHER.

http://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/msg/1186668679.html

SR is George Hudson and is a member of the board of Stockport County.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Take out the three Clubs showing a bit of Yorkshire solidarity - and maybe thinking abut the next derby game. Surprised Huddersfield are not on there.

 

[readingstockport]

Take out the three Clubs showing a bit of Yorkshire solidarity - and maybe thinking abut the next derby game. Surprised Huddersfield are not on there.

But as with all the rest of the shit on 606 it's simply NOT TRUE.

 

[hitony]

I just pray we beat them, Home & Away, 6 points off them will be luvverly, thank you.

I have a few personnel reasons for wishing Leeds United the worst, and those so called Leeds supporters that were on that tube in london, one early evening back in the mid 70s when they played Chelsea, and kicked the living shite out of me for absolutly no reason, and all i was doing was going home from work, sitting there quite innocently, i hope you get your come uppance

 

[Easy 10]

Good point, well made.

 

[Starry]

Quite. It has been mentioned before that Leeds have gone from bad chairman to worse, but as you say, the club is now in a relatively healthy position. He has played this perfectly and will end up alot richer than he was before and Leeds will be on their way back up the leagues. He took a huge gamble and the Football League blinked.

More than likely why the fans did not join forces to oust him... Everyone is a winner (apart from the creditors).

absolutely. i think people need to think past the -15 points. because while its certainly done no favours and maybe we will get relegated but we'll see come may. the fl played into his hands. bates did not comply with their policy, held firm in his stance, got a stack of debt (real and otherwise) wiped off and we can carry on.

that squad that is there now has some decent players for this league, there is no huge debt and take the -15 out of the equation it is a relatively healthy club. which is why those people who have toyed with purchasing in the past are now considering their options.

hmrc will go to court on sept 4th - but people need to look at their case because it is not an anti leeds one firstly. its an anti fl one and why they are no longer preferred creditors with the cva situation. that cva situation did not come into play and the hmrc are peeved that the fl blinked to bates and let us enter the league without the cva and that they are not preferred on the list for clubs in the future

hmrc have been to court before in this very same situation and were thrown out., having read 73 pages of their case and taken legal advice from our own personal, lost money, stance forking out more money on lawyers was not a worthwhile option.

of course i dont know what will happen on sept 4th but i would be very very surprised if sept 4th saw leeds go out of business given the money that has come in for players and is there to purchase the club when bates wants to go.

you are absolutely right bof about why the fans could not (and still haven't) unite against bates. i do not like what he has done and as i have said on the other threads about leeds. he needs to go, but not now. and he will go. with some pennies in his pockets but leaving us in a better position than we were in this time last year. and since probably late 2003.

that said as a leeds fan i am glad things went they way they did, as a creditor i am pretty cheesed off.